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Javaman

I don't think it would be fun to parade a gun collection around town either, although people certainly WOULD care in this case. I get your point though

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rory096

Yeah, but you'd parade it at the shooting range. With stamps, there's not really a particular place to parade it... maybe the post office?

Alpha

Another thing, isn't any gun dangerous? Then why only make "assault weapons" banned? Why not ban them all? You can kill anybody with any gun. Doesn't matter if your shooting from the sholder, hip, or under your damn leg, your still shooting a GUN that shoots a metal PROJECTILE and can do BODILY DAMAGE.

Can anyone answer me that? I mean, AWs dont help you kill people.

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HP_lovecraft

Maybe. But how many is to many? What if you are a collector? or a hunter?

When I used to hunt regularly, I has a 12g for bird/skeet, 12g slugger for deer (in shotgun only places), a 410 for practice. Plus a .308 for deer (and bigger), a 30/30 for deer (and smaller), a 22lr rifle for practice. Plus a 9mm, 45mm for comp, and a 22lr pistol for practice.
ALso a 454 for beer, and a 45c for practice.

A typical group for an average sportsman. All needed for there particular task.
Is 20 to many? 50? 100? What if you like to collect WW2 Ruger pistols? There are hundreds of variants.

I'm sure there may actually be a "number" that represents the point where we have "to many guns". There is probobly a "number" when we have "to many cars", or "to many house", or "to many people".
But. I don't think any of those numbers have been met yet.

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Alpha

HP, your my hero. I need to get an I <3 HP T-shirt and posters.

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david_4x4

Like I said they are a collection. We have evrything from the 1600's to present times. It's a hobby. Lots of times it's about preserving history, teaching others the evolution of weapons, or just plain out having fun with firearms.

Alpha

Why do people like fireworks? They make a bang, a flash, and can do jut as much damage to you as a gun, maybe more. I like things that go boom. Thats juts me.

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Flankergeek

[/quote]I'm sure there may actually be a "number" that represents the point where we have "to many guns". There is probobly a "number" when we have "to many cars", or "to many house", or "to many people".
But. I don't think any of those numbers have been met yet[quote]

Too many guns is where you reach the point where you have more guns than you can ever sensibly use. At the end of the day guns are tools as well as weapons. I did have a point leading on from this, but i've forgotten it now.

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Flankergeek

i really buggered that up

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"Oh s*it they're shooting back!"

"WHY ARE YOU GUYS TAKING COVER?they could't hit my left....

"The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." - Aristotle

"All men want to be good, but not too good, and not all of the time" - Karl Marx

"Study the past if you would define the future" -Confucius
Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC)

"Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; enemy to none" - Benjamin Franklin

HP_lovecraft

I understand what you are saying.

At one point, our politicians wanted to limit a person from owning more then 3 guns. But there was a major backlash from hunters and competetive shooters since they NEED far more then that.

So, if you made an exception for hunters, and sportsmen, then do you target collectors? If they don't FIRE the guns, are the not tools? Do they serve no useful purpose to society?

My point is WHY MAKE LAWS that harm INNOCENT, LAW-ABIDING citizens?
Doesnt it make more sense to go after CRIMINALS? They are not going to care how many guns you can own, since they are CRIMINALS. THEY ARE GOING to do what they want.

This is the reason gun-control never work. It tries to address a symptom, but NOT the problem. Heck, we don't even enforce the laws we have now. I think thats because politicians want to say "well, the laws do not work, so lets pass more". Whatever.

Nick

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Alpha

Right on the nail. We talk so much about changing so many laws going to war with other countries.. But hell, we can't even go to teh mall without having to lock up our car in two ways. WTF is with that?

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Dooms

One example of the need to own a lot of firearms is my Coach. I do competition smallbore shooting, basically the same as what is done in the Olympics. He owns 15 .22lr competition rifles, enough for everyone on the team and one spare. He needs to be the owner of them because the school doesn't want the students bringing their competition rifles to school on shooting days to be taken to the range on the bus, and for those that don't have their own he needs to be able to supply them. So you may think, 15 rifles is a lot more then anyone could ever need, well there are other people out there like my coach who need a large amount of firearms and have a good reason for them.

Also, about Class 3 permits. Most class 3 permit holders are Law Enforcement dealers. That means they are the ones that give police and SWAT teams firearms to test, order them, show their instructors how to work them, ect. With the amount of different police departments and the size of the US it is very difficult for a firearms company to be able to send dealers out. Especially if the department is looking at 3 or more different kinds of firearms. Having a dealer for many different kinds of firearms right there makes it easier for the company and the PD.

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Javaman

This may have already been said but the big reason complete gun control won't work is that only law-abiding citizens would follow it. If you take away innocent's protection, criminals who still have their guns will have a much easier time preying on them. In South Carolina people with clear police histories can get a concealed carry permit. Although there are some dangers in this (Mostly from people pulling their guns in situations they don't fully comprehend) it most likely works well to reduce the amount of muggings. If a thug wants to attack someone they won't know beforehand wether the person is armed or not. In a state without carry permits it's open season on anyone and usually the only thing thugs need to worry about is getting hit by a purse.

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sasKuach

I'll echo everybody who says your a total ****ing retarded turd.

Assumptions are really easy to use, but they're also easy as all hell to shoot down (no pun intended).

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sasKuach

Yeah, according to http://www.nationmaster.com, Australia has these stats compared to the US:

Australia:
Assaults: 141,124 (2000)
(per capita): 7.15 per 1000 people

Burglaries: 436,865 (2000)
(per capita): 22.13 per 1000 people

Car thefts: 139,094 (2000)
(per capita): 7.04 per 1000 people

Murders: 302 (2000)
(per capita): 0.01 per 1000 people

Murders with firearms: 59 (2000)
(per capita): 0.00 per 1000 people

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US:
Assaults: 2,238,480 (1999)
(per capita): 7.70 per 1000 people

Burglaries: 2,099,700 (1999)
(per capita): 7.23 per 1000 people

Car thefts: 1,147,300 (1999) [1st of 56]
(per capita): 3.95 per 1000 people

Murders: 12,658 (1999)
(per capita): 0.04 per 1000 people

Murders with firearms: 8,259 (1999)
(per capita): 0.02 per 1000 people


So as you can see, assaults are about the same. Murder is a little bit higher in the US, but I also argue that as a nation, we're just sicker. Here you go, burglaries are 3.06 times higher in Australia, and car thefts are about double. I really think criminals lose all fear if they know their victims are unarmed.

Just think about it, you have a brawny young lad who works out, weighs around 200 pounds, what's to stop him from walking up to an old lady and wacking her on the head with a pipe and mugging her? Pepperspray? What's she gonna do after that? Run?

Without guns, it's back to "the strong survive" type of thing like in the dark ages. I just can't figure out why liberals who claim to be enlightened, sensible people want that. Maybe it's because the politicians are using them to unarm this nation just like all dictators have done in the past...

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