david_4x4

Actually according to ATF definitions "a machine gun is any firearm capable of firing more than 2 rounds automatically, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." While AK, M-4, FAL,etc are "Assault Rifles" they are still machine guns. As for MG-34, MG-42, M-60, M-249, HK-21, M1919, M1917, M-2, etc are all perfectly legal to own as long as they were manufactured and registered Pre 86.

chromekilla

i see what your saying, but its a hopeless cause


criminals are allways going to have firearms, it doesnt matter how strict gun control laws or anything, if a bad guy wants one, he can get one in 5 mins tops

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Shazbot

lol maybe that is because there was a ban on them... you are speaking in circles

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wow...

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david_4x4

Before the ban, crimes in which guns were used; "assault weapons" only accounted for .08% in the total number of guns used in crimes.

Alpha

www.awbansunset.com Yay

A ban on certain types of weapons styled as "assault weapons" is set to expire today. A few politicians and gun-control fans are shedding crocodile tears, but ordinary Americans should save their tears. Just as the ban had little or no impact on crime or violence, the reintroduction of these guns into the marketplace will have little impact except to restore a tiny semblance of personal freedom.

How did all this come about?

Back in 1994, in the early years of the Clinton administration, the administration and Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress though it would be popular to ban certain semiautomatic weapons that had cosmetic features that made them look "more military." So they outlawed 19 models of semiautomatic rifles.

They miscalculated. Outrage from gun owners was a significant factor in Republicans attaining congressional majorities in the 1994 election. President Clinton himself estimated that the "assault weapons" ban cost 20 members of Congress their seats.

It is important to remember that the ban was based on strictly cosmetic appearances. Ownership of fully automatic machine guns by private citizens was outlawed already and still is. Read more.

For your reading pleasure, just exactly what IS an assault weapon? Read 'ere:
http://www.awbansunset.com/whatis.html

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david_4x4

And that is one reason why I have never liked that site.

www.autoweapons.com

Alpha

Are you reading it right? Assault weapon = not machinegun.

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david_4x4

And do you realize the site is also wrong about stating Machine guns as being illegal. And do you realize that according to the ATF an assault weapon is a machine gun.

My site above clearly shows that machine guns are perfectly legal to own.

Alpha

I just emailed the guy and I said I want to buy an MP5A3 off him. One of my favorites up there from post 83's. That or the RPK. YOu can't simply waltz into a ugn shop, and buy a full auto weapon.

Assault weapons is a made up name. Its somethign used by the media and politicians who have NO knowledge of guns whatsoever.

YOu can not just simply 'get' a full auto weapon. They have been illegal since before WW2.

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I can't believe no one spotted this. Alpha, the first amendment is the right to free speech, freedom to peacably assemble, freedom of religion, freedom to petition, and freedom of press.

You're thinking of the SECOND amendment,

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Alpha

YA, I know my bill of rights. I've been ****ed up lately. Cut me some slack :P

Anyways, right off autoweapons.com:

POST 1986 GUNS ARE AVAILABLE FOR TRANSFER TO
CLASS THREE DEALERS ONLY WITH L.E. LETTERS
NO "CIVILIAN TRANSFERS"

Class 3 FFLs are very HARD to get.

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david_4x4

Actually you can just simply get an full automatic weapon. While the process is long, it however is not difficult.

I'm glad you took the initiative to e-mail him telling him you would like to purchase. First off he'll tell you to call back in a couple of years, because your not quite 21.
But lets say you are. I'll put this in simple terms you can understand. He'll gladly say that he will put the gun on hold and perhaps give you the name of a Class 3 dealer in your area if you have not already found one. Your dealer will make contact with seller. They will transfer all the papers and in return you must take and get a CLEO sign off, a background check. Then you get 2 photos and finger prints. Pay a $200 transfer tax and the total for the gun. Wait 90 days for the transfer and your done.

Maybe this site will explain it a little simpler for you.

http://www.grizzlyfirearms.com/Legally.html

david_4x4

Because in 1986 the passed a Law which stopped the production of machine guns to the civilian market. They are called Post 86 Dealer Samples. Look under "Transferrable Weapons", these are the ones available to the civilian market.

Heres another of one of my favorite gun dealers here in my area. Now waht about I can't just walk into a gun store and buy a Machine Gun? Well I can't right now I'm 19, but I can in 2 years.

www.westernfirearms.com

Alpha

So your saying they have to make sure I'm in the right state of mind, then put me on record? So since they've checked me out and have made sure I'm not a psycho, then they put me on record so its easier for them in case a crime is committed with a so called AW (And remember, .08 or 2%, you decide), then they can run a cross check with me? Sounds like they've got me in check.

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david_4x4

Odds are you dont have to worry about that record since only 1 CRIME has ever been committed by a legal machine gun. And it was a Postal Employee.

Sounds like something must be working?

Alpha

My main point is, I can get a 400 dollar glock and tons of ammo to go rambo, and kill just about the same amount of peopel as I can with an MP5 on full auto. Maybe even less.

The problem is not what king of guns and what features they have, its the people that have them.

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david_4x4

Then go after those people and not the law abiding citizens like me.

sasKuach

Imagine this: Where do you think a (or two or 6) criminal has a better chance of causing trouble
a) a police station full of armed people (police officers in this case)
b) a gun show full of armed law abiding citizens (half of which are cops or soldiers) who hate criminals
c) a school, college, plane, or church, where all guns are banned, even for those with concealed carry permits.

I'm guessing C, because as you will notice, that's where most shootings/crimes tend to occur. Aside from accidents, I've never heard of mass slayings at gun ranges, gun safety courses, gun shows, etc. What this means to me is: the more armed people there are in an area, the less chance a single (or a few) criminals have.

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