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Old October 25th, 2016, 11:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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making a mask

Before I go into what I am wanting, I have heard all the warnings. I have a test process planned out. Now what I am asking is theoretical at this point as I don't have the funds to do this yet so here I go.

I am wanting to build custom masks with electronics built in. A short list is as follows for the electronics: lights, comms, and fans. The question I have is all about the plastic parts. How thick should the plastic be to prevent it from cracking or breaking when hit? Should I use ABS or HIPs? What should the lens be made from or should I use a pre-existing lens? Should I vacuuform or 3d print? Would printing even work? And finally, please feel free to give me any advice on this project, other than telling me I shouldn't do it or other such criticisms.

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Old October 25th, 2016, 11:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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take an existing mask and modify it. lenses are certified for safety, meaning they've already been tested to save your eyes. You only got one set of eyes. Don't gamble with them.

3d prints will most likely shatter upon impact so one shot and you're done.

a lot of people take 20-40 mm computer fans and strap them to the venting on the goggle to get a fan and just wire a switched 9v to the goggle strap.

not sure why you would want to put lights on a mask. makes you a bigger target.

comms in tournament ball are illegal. comms in scenario/recball, why would you want to add weight to your mask if you can just do what most people do and use a throat mic?
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Old October 25th, 2016, 12:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's a Halo spartan helmet I'm wanting to make. They do make HIPS and ABS printing filament, I'm just not sure if it will work. The lights are small LEDs or a flashlight and the LEDs will be used only during day play. Are you saying that in tournaments you cant have a walkie talkie? Seems a little hindering. Besides I'm not planning on any tournament in the near future as I only have about 2 other members and I want 5 before I sign up for one. I'm just wanting to put in a system that works like a walkie but allows everyone to stay in contacting by basically creating a conference call. I'm thinking it may require XBEE to make it work. As for safety, I plan on testing by having 2-4 people unloading a total of 2000 balls into the helmet. Besides taking an existing mask and modding doesn't help me if I'm trying to get into the business of making masks and helmets professionally (no I will not be mass producing copyrighted stuff. the halo helmets are for personal use only.)
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Shooting a case of paint at it is NOT a safety test. Let's say out does that just fine, you send me one and I go play in freezing temperatures, has it been tested for that? No, I go play in Hawaii in the summer, been tested for 100+ degrees? No.

Besides making your own being a monumentally terrible idea the bigger issue for you is these masks will not be allowed on a legit field PERIOD. fields have insurance, one of the parts to that insurance says that any mask on the field has been astm tested, since you clearly don't want to do that it will not be allowed.

Some fields will allow you to modify a mask as long an you use a lens and lens frame that has been astm (may be apsc now that I am thinking about it) tested but even IF that is true or will most likely not be a rule everywhere, be prepared for a field to tell you no you can not use it.

I would recommend building your mask over top of an existing complete mask, that way you can avoid any safety concerns

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Don't print, all the plastics I have seen would not hold up long term

Fans suck, you can not hear your surroundings all that well, use a good lens and you won't need a fan

Lights in the day? Why? You wouldn't even be able to see them
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Old October 25th, 2016, 02:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I live in Michigan. The weather can get pretty cold and pretty hot. Shooting a case of paint is the first test and I thank you for bringing it to my attention though I did not mention the weather I was testing in so you cannot say it wasn't tested in multiple conditions.

I never said I wasn't going to get it officially tested. I put this post up not to get people telling me the exact same things I heard from every other site I've been on, but to guide me in the right direction to build a helmet that would pass an official safety test.

I don't want to mod existing masks as it defeats the purpose if me wanting to possibly get in the business myself. I Cannot make a new goggle system if all I know how to do is mod.

I'm not concerned with it being allowed on a field at this point because I'll be in the creating and building phase. I need to know it can handle my back yard before it can handle a field. after that I will worry about field use.

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Thank you on the printing notes. I didn't think it would work but thought it was prudent to ask

As for fans, I'm adding a comm system to my helmet so maybe I can add an external mic to boost the surrounding sounds.

The lights I'm referring to are accent lights. During night play they would stand out. During day play they would be cool little add-ons to complete the militaristic look that you see in Halo

Now I didn't come here for people to tell me not to do it. I came here to find out how to do it right. My friend and I asked a cop what we would have to do to legally carry our paintball guns around town. He refused to tell us and instead recommended to us not to do it, which was the opposite of what we asked. I don't like that. I want to know how to do it not to not do it. I can't start a goggle company with "don't do it man" from every one I talk to. Sorry if this comes off rude or such, it's not meant to be. I'm looking for 'how to' not 'Should I'
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I'm on board with modifying an existing mask; at least a lense system, if not anything. You're only endangering yourself or anyone who wants to use the mask, if you try to create your own eye protection. You can build some incredible things around existing masks. Why put your own safety at risk?


Fans are cool great to have if you have heat or fogging issues; a mask with lights would be kinda neat, too. I'm imagining a battery pack tucked into a harness, or something.

If you're looking at making your own mask to sell, you're going to want to look HEAVILY at the ATSM mask standard, that's what you're required to pass, in order to sell any safety mask for paintball. I believe that this standard includes the rest of the mask, as well; I've not actually looked into it very much, but I do know that it's very stringent.
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Old October 25th, 2016, 05:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm on board with modifying an existing mask; at least a lense system, if not anything. You're only endangering yourself or anyone who wants to use the mask, if you try to create your own eye protection. You can build some incredible things around existing masks. Why put your own safety at risk?
Ok. I think this should be said because I keep getting told this: I am not stupid enough to put this on myself or my friends for tests. I'll be using those karate dummies. i will not put anyone at risk with this until the product has been fully tested.

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Fans are cool great to have if you have heat or fogging issues; a mask with lights would be kinda neat, too. I'm imagining a battery pack tucked into a harness, or something.
I'm actually looking to control everything from the fan to the comms via a tactical pad mounted on my wrist. Since I'm going to me making full body MJOLNIR armor I figure I can mount the batteries and computer in the chest piece.


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If you're looking at making your own mask to sell, you're going to want to look HEAVILY at the ATSM mask standard, that's what you're required to pass, in order to sell any safety mask for paintball. I believe that this standard includes the rest of the mask, as well; I've not actually looked into it very much, but I do know that it's very stringent.
This is what I'm asking for. Not people telling me its a bad idea but people giving me what I need to do it right. Specs not admonitions.
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I live in Michigan. The weather can get pretty cold and pretty hot. Shooting a case of paint is the first test and I thank you for bringing it to my attention though I did not mention the weather I was testing in so you cannot say it wasn't tested in multiple conditions.
Um yes I can, you can't tell me that Michigan has all the conditions the mask will ever be used in. You are looking at it as if the 2000 rounds it takes makes it safe but that's not the case, it's the 1 paintball that gets through that makes it not safe and the sad part is, the reality of the situation is the mask will not be on your face when that happens. You are willing to risk someone else's safety simply so your mask can look a certain way

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I never said I wasn't going to get it officially tested. I put this post up not to get people telling me the exact same things I heard from every other site I've been on, but to guide me in the right direction to build a helmet that would pass an official safety test.
If you want it to pass an official safety test then why not contact the astm or apsc and find out what it will need to do in order to pass? Why bother shooting it with 2000 paintballs in your back yard if it will do nothing?


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I don't want to mod existing masks as it defeats the purpose if me wanting to possibly get in the business myself. I Cannot make a new goggle system if all I know how to do is mod.
Modifications and aftermarket is how the vast majority of paintball companies get started, almost nobody starts from day 1 producing complete hard goods. Dye started with grips and barrels, smart parts started with barrels, ninja air makes regulators but they do not produce their own tanks in house, yes they have their name on them but they do not make them in house. Just because that's how you get your start doesn't mean that's all you will ever do, if that were the case dye should have never produced a marker


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I'm not concerned with it being allowed on a field at this point because I'll be in the creating and building phase. I need to know it can handle my back yard before it can handle a field. after that I will worry about field use.'
So safety only matters if it's used at the field then? Basically what you are telling me here is you only want to do the safety testing if it benefits YOU as a business. Players in back yards, their eyes are not important until you can get your business going. Not to mention if you ever want it to pass safety testing you should probably design and build based around that


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As for fans, I'm adding a comm system to my helmet so maybe I can add an external mic to boost the surrounding sounds.I'
It's your design do what you want but you are now adding equipment to solve problems that other equipment that is not even needed is causing.... Why not just simplify the design and save money?

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The lights I'm referring to are accent lights. During night play they would stand out. During day play they would be cool little add-ons to complete the militaristic look that you see in HaloI'
If you put lights anywhere in the view of the person wearing the mask or if the reflected light will illuminate parts of the mask they can see, you will be blinding them at night. It's not that it's bright it's that your eyes will adjust to the surrounding light they will pick up. I used to have a pair of glasses that had lighting in the clear frame, it wasn't pointed at my eyes but just because it was around my eyes meant my eyes would dilate and I could not see much of my surroundings at all, this was also without any lenses in the glasses, it only gets worse with a lens. My suggestion, make the on/off switch easy to reach with the mask on


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Now I didn't come here for people to tell me not to do it. I came here to find out how to do it right. My friend and I asked a cop what we would have to do to legally carry our paintball guns around town. He refused to tell us and instead recommended to us not to do it, which was the opposite of what we asked. I don't like that. I want to know how to do it not to not do it. I can't start a goggle company with "don't do it man" from every one I talk to. Sorry if this comes off rude or such, it's not meant to be. I'm looking for 'how to' not 'Should I'
He refused to tell you because IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. You are being extremely short sighted, you want to make a mask for the look which is fine but you are willing to basically ignore safety requirements for paintball and wanting to carry around a marker in public without considering what it could do for the sport as a whole, bad press (which is the ONLY kind of press that would come out of a situation like that) spreads like wildfire. Either that or someone thinks you are carrying around a firearm and shoots you because people are dumb, you really have not thought any of this through at all

Not all problems have an easy solution, you may not want to hear that is a bad idea to try and make a mask from scratch in your back yard but that doesn't make it bad advise either, if I had come on here and told you a piece of plastic wrap duct taped onto a piece of chicken cage wire would protect you would you believe me? Assuming no, I have to ask why you are willing to say that is bad advise but also not take everyone's advise on here when they are telling you to leave mask design to the professionals

Either start with modifying or start with a product that doesn't risk someone's body of you get it wrong. I'm also a rock climber, I sure as hell would not put my safety in the hands of a product someone produced in their back yard. The thing is though, a lot of younger paintball players have no idea that masks need to go through all kinds of safety testing in order to be marketed in the first place

One last thing, let's say you ignore or advise, skip the legit testing and do your backyard testing, sell a handful of masks and one day, one of your first customers writes you to tell you that he lost an eye while wearing your mask, is that really the kind of footing you want to start your business on? Can you then turn around and tell your other customers"well he looked good while playing"

If you want to mod something I'll help but doing a frame and lens from scratch without astm testing is asking for trouble
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Um yes I can, you can't tell me that Michigan has all the conditions the mask will ever be used in. You are looking at it as if the 2000 rounds it takes makes it safe but that's not the case, it's the 1 paintball that gets through that makes it not safe and the sad part is, the reality of the situation is the mask will not be on your face when that happens. You are willing to risk someone else's safety simply so your mask can look a certain way
I never said Michigan did have all environments nor did I include all my testing. If you read my last post you will see I stated no one will be wearing these until fully tested.

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If you want it to pass an official safety test then why not contact the astm or apsc and find out what it will need to do in order to pass? Why bother shooting it with 2000 paintballs in your back yard if it will do nothing?
Have you ever seen the price of ASTM regulations? It costs 50 USD just to get them. They will not just tell me just cause I message them.


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Modifications and aftermarket is how the vast majority of paintball companies get started, almost nobody starts from day 1 producing complete hard goods. Dye started with grips and barrels, smart parts started with barrels, ninja air makes regulators but they do not produce their own tanks in house, yes they have their name on them but they do not make them in house. Just because that's how you get your start doesn't mean that's all you will ever do, if that were the case dye should have never produced a marker
That may be true but I stated new goggle system.

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So safety only matters if it's used at the field then? Basically what you are telling me here is you only want to do the safety testing if it benefits YOU as a business. Players in back yards, their eyes are not important until you can get your business going. Not to mention if you ever want it to pass safety testing you should probably design and build based around that
Last I new there were no referees in a back yard game and some players might just put the marker up against anothers body and pull the trigger. If you ask me safety is more important in the back yard. Besides as I said I'm in the design and build phase. I cannot focus on safety if I don't have a design. I need to make a helmet to make sure it can be manufactured the way I want, then make another at required thicknesses and test its durability at point blank range. Then and only then I will worry about official field safety. Besides that is why I posted here, to try to figure out what I need the helmet to be rated at. I asked for stats. Instead all I got was "don't do it." That's all I ever got. I'm not some moron who shoves fire crackers up their buts because they think it will be fun. I am a highly intellectual individual who tries to plan out all eventualities and ask questions to get those details

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It's your design do what you want but you are now adding equipment to solve problems that other equipment that is not even needed is causing.... Why not just simplify the design and save money?
If everyone thought like that there would be no progress. Besides I'm wanting to do this to push my capabilities

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If you put lights anywhere in the view of the person wearing the mask or if the reflected light will illuminate parts of the mask they can see, you will be blinding them at night. It's not that it's bright it's that your eyes will adjust to the surrounding light they will pick up. I used to have a pair of glasses that had lighting in the clear frame, it wasn't pointed at my eyes but just because it was around my eyes meant my eyes would dilate and I could not see much of my surroundings at all, this was also without any lenses in the glasses, it only gets worse with a lens. My suggestion, make the on/off switch easy to reach with the mask on
Look at master chiefs armor. the lights are non intrusive

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He refused to tell you because IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. You are being extremely short sighted, you want to make a mask for the look which is fine but you are willing to basically ignore safety requirements for paintball and wanting to carry around a marker in public without considering what it could do for the sport as a whole, bad press (which is the ONLY kind of press that would come out of a situation like that) spreads like wildfire. Either that or someone thinks you are carrying around a firearm and shoots you because people are dumb, you really have not thought any of this through at all
He might have thought that but he didn't help us. we wanted legality not recommendation. keep in mind i can walk around with a rifle as long as i have the proper papers. And we wanted to know if we had to paint the marker to mark it as not being a firearm. once again I am not stupid nor am i short sited, which is why i came looking for help

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Not all problems have an easy solution, you may not want to hear that is a bad idea to try and make a mask from scratch in your back yard but that doesn't make it bad advise either, if I had come on here and told you a piece of plastic wrap duct taped onto a piece of chicken cage wire would protect you would you believe me? Assuming no, I have to ask why you are willing to say that is bad advise but also not take everyone's advise on here when they are telling you to leave mask design to the professionals
I never said it was bad advice just that I am tired of hearing the advice when I'm asking for specs and help. It actually hinders when people ignore the request and instead say not to do something, expecially when it is stated that it has all been head before.

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Either start with modifying or start with a product that doesn't risk someone's body of you get it wrong. I'm also a rock climber, I sure as hell would not put my safety in the hands of a product someone produced in their back yard. The thing is though, a lot of younger paintball players have no idea that masks need to go through all kinds of safety testing in order to be marketed in the first place
I am aware that alot goes into testing which is why I am here. And I sure as hell wont release a product that has not been put through its paces


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One last thing, let's say you ignore or advise, skip the legit testing and do your backyard testing, sell a handful of masks and one day, one of your first customers writes you to tell you that he lost an eye while wearing your mask, is that really the kind of footing you want to start your business on? Can you then turn around and tell your other customers"well he looked good while playing"

If you want to mod something I'll help but doing a frame and lens from scratch without astm testing is asking for trouble
i will gladly accept your help but will not be treated as a brainless twit like those morons who get drunk and get themselves killed. I am trying to develop a Mjolnir helmet for me and my team and need specs. I asked from the beginning for people not to tell me to not do it, even said that it was theoretical at this point, but I was not listened to. Everything I have heard has been told to me time and again over the last 3 years. It's like asking someone how to bake a cake but all they tell you is not to burn it. It does nothing to help. I just want the details of how to do it so I can start testing. After I build my first helmet for actual testing, I will unload a case of paintball at POINT BLANK RANGE during all 4 seasons (if you have a temp you think I should do this at, I would be happy to hear it.) If the mask holds up to this I will feel comfortable with getting it ASTM tested as it can probably hold up to unregulated backyard play. After testing i will take it to a field and let people see it and put it on (not on the field, but in safety areas) and i will have them shoot at it all they want (while its on a dummy.) If I cant make it work with ASTM regs then i will look into a mod system for existing goggles. I am not a moron.
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I never said Michigan did have all environments nor did I include all my testing. If you read my last post you will see I stated no one will be wearing these until fully tested.
"fully tested" is not you doing it in your back yard or by whatever tests you deem adequate

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Have you ever seen the price of ASTM regulations? It costs 50 USD just to get them. They will not just tell me just cause I message them.
here it is RIGHT HERE ^^^ $50 is more important to you than being able to do proper testing, I mean seriously, you want to create not only a custom mask but a mostly full set of armor, including electronics, a touch pad to control things which would require custom programming and $50 is the hold up?!?!? this should not even be a drop in the bucket for your budget not to mention

THE WHOLE POINT OF A MASK IS TO KEEP SOMEONE SAFE NOT LOOK GOOD

that is in caps so it is not missed, for you, the safety so far from what I have read has been a secondary consideration. you are approaching this whole thing thinking how you can make a mask that looks a certain way not FUNCTIONS a certain way

if you really want to make a mask like a video game, make it and go to a comic con, not a paintball field

if you were a fire fighter would you go into a burning building with a tuxedo simply because it looks good? or would you grab the fire fighting equipment designed for the task?



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Last I new there were no referees in a back yard game and some players might just put the marker up against anothers body and pull the trigger. If you ask me safety is more important in the back yard. Besides as I said I'm in the design and build phase. I cannot focus on safety if I don't have a design.
your design should be RELIANT on what is required for safety, if you do it the other way around you are only going to have to go back and re-do your design once you incorporate the safety into it. you dont see car manufacturers putting in spaghetti noodles for seat belts then going back later and changing it do you?

also, if a ref is there will your mask some how be safer? while I am at the field does it never happen that a player shoots another point blank (someone must have tampered with my memory if that is the case) do no players ever shoot hot? I am confused as to why safety concerns are somehow different if I am in my backyard vs a field

I will agree that more safety "violations" happen in the back yard ball than at a field but that doesnt mean you should just ignore proper testing and rating procedures, not to mention lets say you sell a handful of masks then get them safety tested and find you have to change a few things, now you have masks out there that were never safety rated that look (im assuming) identical to the ones with the fixes, how is a field supposed to know which ones are ok to let in and which are not?


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I need to make a helmet to make sure it can be manufactured the way I want, then make another at required thicknesses and test its durability at point blank range. Then and only then I will worry about official field safety. Besides that is why I posted here, to try to figure out what I need the helmet to be rated at. I asked for stats. Instead all I got was "don't do it." That's all I ever got. I'm not some moron who shoves fire crackers up their buts because they think it will be fun. I am a highly intellectual individual who tries to plan out all eventualities and ask questions to get those details
if its a helmet as in covering your head not your face then there are no specifications, you dont need anything covering the top of your head to play, no ratings are needed, you can go out with a piece of cardboard for all anyone cares, its the face/eyes/ears that must be covered and comply to safety standards from all angles




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If everyone thought like that there would be no progress. Besides I'm wanting to do this to push my capabilities
adding equipment doesnt mean a step in the right direction either, there are a lot of extremely good stock class players out there that go out with as little equipment as possible


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Look at master chiefs armor. the lights are non intrusive
.....its a video game......not real life

that aside i think it can be done but here I was offering you some advise concerning the lights and rather than saying something like "ya I will keep that in mind" you dismissed my advise from someone who has experience with worn lights near your face in a night environment as essentially wrong. you are saying you want our help but when I offer the smallest bit of advice which wouldnt even change the design besides maybe the location of an on/off switch you dismiss it. If you are so convinced your design is perfect why did you even ask for help?



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He might have thought that but he didn't help us. we wanted legality not recommendation. keep in mind i can walk around with a rifle as long as i have the proper papers. And we wanted to know if we had to paint the marker to mark it as not being a firearm. once again I am not stupid nor am i short sited, which is why i came looking for help
but you are short sighted, you are dismissing legitimate safety concerns and putting off actual testing (your tests prove nothing) because it will cost you $50 to get the specifications. People offered you workable solutions in using a frame and lens that in all reality would be a very small portion of the whole design and chances are would not even effect the look and you dismissed them simply because you would not be producing it in house, I offer my advice on the lights which would not effect the look at all and once again you dismissed it.

the largest thing to me is the reason you dont want to use a frame that is already produced, simply because you would not be making it yourself. You have not even mentioned that it could change the look slightly but you say you want to learn, well you have the ENTIRE rest of the armor/helmet/electronics etc to learn on, why is the most important piece of safety something you want to try from the get go? do that on the second version, leave safety to the people who have been doing it for years on your first go around


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I never said it was bad advice just that I am tired of hearing the advice when I'm asking for specs and help. It actually hinders when people ignore the request and instead say not to do something, expecially when it is stated that it has all been head before.
Ignoring advise is just as bad as wrong advise. if you want the specs martix posted the link for you, the reason nobody else has them is because none of us need them, we are not producing masks. Welcome to business, you have to spend money to make money. I could tell you how to fly a helicopter but me telling you is much different that you actually trying. However, If you ask me how to fly a helicopter and I instead of telling you tell you that you need to go to flight school does that make my suggestion wrong? Assuming scenario A) you go try to fly a helicopter after I by word of mouth told you how to, or scenario B) you go to flight school and lean how, which of those two has a better outcome? Thats what is happening here, it may not be what you WANT to hear but it is what you NEED to hear.


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I am aware that alot goes into testing which is why I am here. And I sure as hell wont release a product that has not been put through its paces
well step 1 is buying the ATSM specifications book




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etc etc.... If I cant make it work with ASTM regs then i will look into a mod system for existing goggles. I am not a moron.
this is backwards though, why design something from scratch if the end result is you are going to change the design to work with existing masks? why not start by making it as a mod for existing masks, that way you are using an existing frame and lens, no safety concerns

this would also be cheaper than doing a ground up design and would allow you to gauge market interest (keep in mind, just because someone says they are interested in it, doesnt mean they would actually buy it once it has a price tag)

step 2 would be doing a complete ground up design with your own frame and lens, you would also have the cash flow from the phase 1 to support any testing equipment you would need to purchase
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Old October 25th, 2016, 08:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm done. Unless a poster can tell me what is in the regulation book please don't reply. I want facts not opinions and advice not to do it or criticisms against what I want. What my testing methods are are between me, my partners and ASTM. I need numbers and material lists nothing else. And keep in mind that in my first post I said that this was all theoretical at this point as I DON'T have the funds right now so yeah, 50 is a hang up. I need whats in the book to start planning and before I even touch safety I need a design that will work as currently I am looking into vacuuforming the parts, which may not even work. So unless you can further MY plans don't reply. I have had 3 long years of people telling me not to do something instead of telling me how to do it. I am done with it. Facts only. If you don't have the facts don't reply.
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BTW, thank you Matrix for the link. Except for the fact that it cost 50 bucks it was what I was asking for. I figure I'll need to put away a dollar a week to save for it.
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For the rest of the helmet and for an add on to existing masks vacuum forming may work. I have only ever seen vacuume forming that uses fairly thin plastics. I doubt those would hold up for any length of time, it may work for fitting purposes but for production you will probably want some form of injection molding, much more chooses in plastics, better detail but from what I know of it the tolling is also much more expensive.

You could also make more precise pieces to better fit whatever mask you end up modifying.
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I'm a little curious as to how you don't have 50 bucks for astm, but you have money to prototype. Go ahead and ignore me since i'm not providing facts, but i'm genuinely curious
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First, this thread is not needed anymore unless you want to give ideas about how to do the project. I got someone who laid out the technical issues and such instead of focusing on the legal or safety issues, of which I have already been told countless times and had asked not to be told again.

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I'm a little curious as to how you don't have 50 bucks for astm, but you have money to prototype. Go ahead and ignore me since I'm not providing facts, but I'm genuinely curious
If you read the original post instead of just jumping into telling me I shouldn't try I specifically said that this whole thing is theoretical at this point as I don't have the funds. That means I DO NOT have MONEY, but IF I DID, HOW would I complete the project.

Now I am not saying the legal and safety concerns people have brought up are invalid or stupid or even not needed. quite the opposite. I would never sell something that is supposed to be protection if it was not fully tested, I'm not stupid of crazy enough to do that. I asked for technical details, and instead got legal and safety. I even said I have heard all the warnings but everyone ignored that. matrix did exactly what should have been done. He gave me the info I needed and then advised against the project. He focused on the project not the stuff I'm adding to it. I asked for help with the mask itself, not the electronics that go in it. I have those figured out. The only reason I mentioned them is to give an idea of the project as a whole. Thank you to those who actually helped me, it was much appreciated.
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Part of a project like this is the funding though, a big part of it. Let's say for argument's sake you have the atsm specifications, in order to have your first mold made so you can cast parts I'm willing to bet the mold makers are going to want a cad cam file. A 3d rendering of what you want made, these programs are THOUSANDS of dollars to purchase and take a while to learn. You may be able to find a3rd party that is willing to do it but again, how do you pay them?

If you have no plan for the money how do you expect to have a prototype made?

Sure you could probably do a 1 off but since you won't be making it the way your production run would be made its not really any use, you couldn't do safety testing with it since it would be made so differently than what you are planning on doing
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the plan it to do a paper mockup then adding clay to smooth. resin over that and you have a negative of the product. total cost is around 50 probably= 10 for the paper and glue 10 for the resin and 30 in case my math is wrong. keep in mind this is for vacuforming. i also never really planned on mass producing. i planned more on special custom pieces or such. btw HIPS would cost about 50 for a 2 foot sheet.

i do have the costs kinda figured, just dont have the money to do it. so right now im trying to figure out what i need so i can figure out price.
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