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August 18th, 11:45 AM
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Booyakasha!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SF Bay Area
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Is 1 slow hit better than 5 fast misses?
I am getting in to paintball and am kind of surprised to see that most markers don't have sights (and actually have the feed point and hopper on the top). I've been told the way you aim is to point and shoot, then use the stream of balls like tracers and walk the shots in. When military and law enforcement train for close quarter fighting, they train to still use the sights to a certain extent....training for muscle memory to bring the gun up with the sights already aligned with both eyes open instead of "aiming." The belief is that one slower hit is better than multiple fast misses.
I am looking to buy a marker and keep gravitating towards a Tippmann because it has sights. I've used other guns w/o sights and find that I am getting frustrated since the first shot is way off...then I need to adjust to get in the target instead of being able to do it with the first shot.
If I can use sights quickly, shout I go for a gun with sights? Or will I find that making a well placed first shot isn't that important? Or can well placed first shots be made regularly with a no sights marker?
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August 18th, 11:49 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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sight down the barrel
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August 18th, 11:51 AM
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Spray and pray...
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August 18th, 11:55 AM
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oh snap
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Lanark, Illinois
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Sights in paintball are pretty pointless...paintballs don't have a straight trajectory, so you never really know where the first shot will go for sure.
Aim by where the paintballs are going, thats the easiest way..plus, you get used to aiming like that after a while.
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August 18th, 12:03 PM
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Offical PBF Hater
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wisconsin
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dont worry about sight paintballs dont fly straight
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August 18th, 12:06 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by CannonFodder
I am getting in to paintball and am kind of surprised to see that most markers don't have sights (and actually have the feed point and hopper on the top). I've been told the way you aim is to point and shoot, then use the stream of balls like tracers and walk the shots in. When military and law enforcement train for close quarter fighting, they train to still use the sights to a certain extent....training for muscle memory to bring the gun up with the sights already aligned with both eyes open instead of "aiming." The belief is that one slower hit is better than multiple fast misses.
I am looking to buy a marker and keep gravitating towards a Tippmann because it has sights. I've used other guns w/o sights and find that I am getting frustrated since the first shot is way off...then I need to adjust to get in the target instead of being able to do it with the first shot.
If I can use sights quickly, shout I go for a gun with sights? Or will I find that making a well placed first shot isn't that important? Or can well placed first shots be made regularly with a no sights marker?
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I debated the same thing but luckily my father wanted to get a gun 2 so i got a tippmann and a spyder
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August 18th, 12:09 PM
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Booyakasha!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by babokid90
I debated the same thing but luckily my father wanted to get a gun 2 so i got a tippmann and a spyder
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Which do you like more?
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August 18th, 12:18 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Wisconsin
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dont get a gun with sights. the sights will never be very accurate because of how paintballs fly. after you play a while you will find it quite easy to aim just by pointing the gun. i can tell you where every one of my paintballs are going to go on the first shot. it is going to be very awkward to shoot using the sight, and will most likely expose yourself because your hopper will be above your gun. how long have you been playing? it should come to you after a little while of playing. once you have your own gun your shots will be better placed as well because your used to shooting the same gun.
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August 18th, 12:20 PM
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paintballs are not perfect. Doesn't matter if you have the best scope on the planet, and your aiming at a hair on someone's chin. The ball is probably going to hit the tree next to them or something.
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August 18th, 12:26 PM
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Booyakasha!
Join Date: Aug 2005
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I know that firearms-like accuracy isn't there in paintball, but even the cheap markers I have been using will group close enough to keep the balls within a person sized target at a reasonable distance.
As far as my experience, I played a lot in the late 80's and early 90's. Now I am getting back in to it. From my little experience of playing recently, when someone starts walking balls in on me, I start moving. It makes me think if they tied to make that first shot count and send three or four balls to even out the odds, I would have been hit before realizing I was being shot at.
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August 18th, 12:36 PM
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Not Just a Pumper
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Once you begin to pick it back up your muscle memory, and your target judgement will start to kick in pretty quickly. When I first started playing I also found aiming pretty difficult. Now I can snap up with my tank to my shoulder, and be on target in 1-2 shots pretty much everytime. Just be consistent with your shooting stance, and how you hold your marker, and it will come to you naturally. When your "aiming" you are pretty much just looking down the side of your barrel, but once you get better you'll find yourself doing that less often. Eventually you should be able to snap up from behind a bunker and fire off a quick 3 round burst on target before they have time to react.
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August 18th, 12:37 PM
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Screaming Koala
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Bentleyville, PA
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All my Tippmann's have the sights that came with the marker on them. They rarely ever get used. Once you've owned your marker for a while, or really just been playing for a while, you won't even think about using them. You'll pretty much know what you're going to hit, like you said with the memory thing.
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August 18th, 12:39 PM
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Democrat
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Aurora (you know from waynes world) Illinois
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tilt the gun on an angle and look down and then you'll be able to AIM. But you can't really aim a paintball because they have just as great an accuracy as a musket from the revolutionary war. Paintballs are round balls like the musket balls used during that time. Theirs also a liquid inside the paintballs that will shake the paintball up in mid air (think about throwing a water balloon) So the best way to Aim is to shoot one ball then adjust from there.
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August 18th, 12:52 PM
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Not Just a Pumper
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Paintball Knights
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Actually the liquid is no longer much of an issue like it was in the early days of paintball, because manufacturing quality has gone up and paintballs are now basically 100% full.
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August 18th, 12:53 PM
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Democrat
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Aurora (you know from waynes world) Illinois
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Originally Posted by splatwithhonor3
Actually the liquid is no longer much of an issue like it was in the early days of paintball, because manufacturing quality has gone up and paintballs are now basically 100% full.
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shake a full water bottle up the water still moves around...
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August 18th, 01:08 PM
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Astrocreep
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: New Hampshire
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Heres wha tyou should do. Forget about sites. When you go to shoot make sure the gun is like at your nose so you have both eyes looking down. I dont remember the physics of this but I expect Alpha to post after me with full details :-P
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August 18th, 01:16 PM
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hate
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 843...SC
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A line of paint+gogs>all
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August 18th, 01:18 PM
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"Accuraccy by volume is and will remain the leading way to score eliminations in paintball" -Tom Kaye.
Most of you dont know who he is, but without him, you'd all be shooting stock class pistols in the woods.
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August 18th, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CannonFodder
I am getting in to paintball and am kind of surprised to see that most markers don't have sights (and actually have the feed point and hopper on the top). I've been told the way you aim is to point and shoot, then use the stream of balls like tracers and walk the shots in. When military and law enforcement train for close quarter fighting, they train to still use the sights to a certain extent....training for muscle memory to bring the gun up with the sights already aligned with both eyes open instead of "aiming." The belief is that one slower hit is better than multiple fast misses.
I am looking to buy a marker and keep gravitating towards a Tippmann because it has sights. I've used other guns w/o sights and find that I am getting frustrated since the first shot is way off...then I need to adjust to get in the target instead of being able to do it with the first shot.
If I can use sights quickly, shout I go for a gun with sights? Or will I find that making a well placed first shot isn't that important? Or can well placed first shots be made regularly with a no sights marker?
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After about a month of just point and shoot you get used to it, then you get so good you can move your shots with the guy when only looking at the guy.
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Originally Posted by Alpha
"Accuraccy by volume is and will remain the leading way to score eliminations in paintball" -Tom Kaye.
Most of you dont know who he is, but without him, you'd all be shooting stock class pistols in the woods.
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August 18th, 02:14 PM
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If you want an accurate gun that you can put sights on, and prefer the "one shot one kill" style, go for a CCI Phantom. It is a pump marker, but if you put a stock on one of these things they are incredible. see www.phantomonline.com for more info. These are, however, pump guns, so you must pump between each shot.
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