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Old April 25th, 06:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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tank shapes

ive seen a lot of these kinds of tanks on paintball guns.
it says they are nitrogen tanks, but also take co2.
i am interested in them cause they are easier to carry and hold.
anyway, what do you call that rounded body type? instead of the normal co2 tanks which look like rectangles from the side?
http://www.cippsites.com/Merchant4/g...ionbodyw68.jpg
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Old April 25th, 06:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thats an HPA tank. It holds compressed air.
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Old April 26th, 07:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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ive seen a lot of these kinds of tanks on paintball guns.
it says they are nitrogen tanks, but also take co2.
i am interested in them cause they are easier to carry and hold.
anyway, what do you call that rounded body type? instead of the normal co2 tanks which look like rectangles from the side?
http://www.cippsites.com/Merchant4/g...ionbodyw68.jpg
Back in the late 90's and early 2000's when the old style Shockers were very popular, they were extremely inefficient on HPA or N2. They weren't much better on CO2 so you could use a fiber wrapped 68, 88 or 114 cubic inch HPA tank with a CO2 valve on it filled with CO2 to run the Shocker. They were extremely heavy and expensive but they got a decent amount of shots compared to a 20oz tank or a high pressure air system. I'm sure you can still find some of those tanks around or have one made if you wanted because the threads on the tank necks are all the same. But be aware that a 68ci tank filled with CO2 weighs well over 4 pounds. My Shocker Turbo with a 68ci CO2 tank and a full Revolution of paint weighed in at about 12 and a half pounds!

You can get a fiber wrapped tank made into a CO2 tank but markers today are much more efficient so you really don't need to.
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please don't' fill a HPA tank with co2. if you find a place that will do it they are idiots to even consider it.
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Old April 26th, 12:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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please don't' fill a HPA tank with co2. if you find a place that will do it they are idiots to even consider it.
It is impossible to fill a HPA tank with CO2 because the two types of bottles fill in entirely different ways.

You need to have a CO2 valve assembly installed to use a fiber wrapped tank for CO2. Since CO2 is filled through the same part of the tank as the CO2 comes out for the marker, it is a two-way valve on a CO2 tank. The CO2 goes wherever the pressure is the lowest. When they fill a CO2 tank, they screw the filler onto the bottle and open the valve and since the pressure in the fill bottle is higher, the empty CO2 bottle fills. When you screw the CO2 tank into the marker, the pressure in the marker is lower so the CO2 moves to the marker and refills it after every firing cycle.

Filling a HPA bottle is completely different because there is a regulator on the bottle. If you tried to screw the CO2 filler onto a HPA bottle and fill it, you would destroy the regulator as soon as you opened the fill valve because a HPA regulator is a one-way valve. That's why you have to use a fill nipple to fill a HPA bottle. The fill nipple entirely bypasses the regulator and goes directly to the bottle. There is no other way to fill an HPA bottle without destroying the regulator. If someone REALLY wanted to fill a HPA bottle with CO2, they would have to construct a quick disconnect line to attache to their CO2 filler line to hook it up to the fill nipple on the HPA bottle. But after all that work, the CO2 would still probably be stuck in the bottle because it would lack the pressure to make the regulator work or it would all vent out when the raw CO2 destroyed the seals in the regualator.
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Filling a HPA bottle is completely different because there is a regulator on the bottle. If you tried to screw the CO2 filler onto a HPA bottle and fill it, you would destroy the regulator as soon as you opened the fill valve because a HPA regulator is a one-way valve. That's why you have to use a fill nipple to fill a HPA bottle. The fill nipple entirely bypasses the regulator and goes directly to the bottle. There is no other way to fill an HPA bottle without destroying the regulator. If someone REALLY wanted to fill a HPA bottle with CO2, they would have to construct a quick disconnect line to attache to their CO2 filler line to hook it up to the fill nipple on the HPA bottle. But after all that work, the CO2 would still probably be stuck in the bottle because it would lack the pressure to make the regulator work or it would all vent out when the raw CO2 destroyed the seals in the regualator.
thats why i said what i said.
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thats why i said what i said.
Since this is the New Player Forum I thought I'd add what I did to make sure the difference between a preset HPA bottle and a CO2 bottle were clear as well as the reasons why they are so different.
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