[oblivion86]

Heylo everyone, I used to play paintball (and even went into a tournament, got my butt kicked by Timmys but it was fun)and have been gone for a while and recently felt like getting back into the sport. One problem though. I have a Spyder Imagine Select which is currently malfunctioning and has been. Soo its a pain in the butt and taking that piece of junk all the way to a Spyder factory seems futile. Soooo..........I'm thinking about a new gun. Any suggestions for a slightly newer player, Price range : Under 500, maybe a LITTLE bit over if its really worth it. Thanks ahead of time!

oh and just a note, i have some good parts from the spyder which will cut down the costs a bit..a 14' Dye Barrell, Viewloader Evolution II hopper, and a 48 cu Pure Energy tank.

[evolkers2003]

Sell it all! New equipment (to you) will feel refreshing. A used PM6, Vlcoty (Jr or regular) and a CP 68/45 would be a great setup and a HUGE improvement over the spyder. If your looking to buy all new, a PMR w/ a few ups and a vlocity jr and a CP 68 45 would make an awesome setup. Of coarse each setup i just mentioned would be more around $600. If you absolutely dont want to go over $500 then a Ion, CP 68/45 and a vlocity jr would pry be the best. The PM6 setup would be the best though.

Ps. If you decide to get a mini (which is the same price as a PMR) then get a CP 48 cu 4500 psi tank. The mini has good enough gas efficiency that it doesnt need as big of a tank and it is currently the lightest gun setup on the market. Be wary of the mini cause some have had solenoid problems out of the box and some people dont like the feel of the frame cause its too small for them.

[oblivion86]

Sell all of it? haha...wee. fun. how much do ya think i could get for the spyder (i got it slightly working, not sure, i fixed a few problems) and if i were to sell the tank/hopper (barrel?) and yea, hate to say it but uh...can you dumb it down a bit? haha, been such a long time since I've had all this lingo thrown at me that its like gibberish. Thanks though!

[martix_agent]

around $70-$80 for the spyder, depends on what's wrong with it.

I'd keep your hopper if you have a revy because they're' reliable backups. you can probably sell the barel and marker and tank for around $100 in one big package.

What evolkers is trying to say is this:
Two brand new mid priced markers came out earlier this year, the invert mini and the proto PMR. The proto is essentially a dumbed down version of a dm/pm gmarker. the mini is a totally new design and is the absolute smallest marker there is.(so small in fact, that people with big hands don't like them)
They are both in your pricerange
The mini, he says, is very efficient so you don't' as large of a tank as you would for the pmr. If you're looking into the mini, make sure it's not one of the orgional ones that shipped out, those had some problems that they later fixed.

[oblivion86]

Coooo. haha, that explains it quite a bit. thanks. Now i know the PMR and DM are from Dye. Is the mini from them as well?

ps oh nevermind! found the mini, ick i don't like it already. looks like im going with the PMR or DM6, i know the PMR is more in my price range, is the DM6 that much better for the price? or should i get the PMR and trick it out a bit?

[martix_agent]

Originally Posted by oblivion86

Coooo. haha, that explains it quite a bit. thanks. Now i know the PMR and DM are from Dye. Is the mini from them as well?

ps oh nevermind! found the mini, ick i don't like it already. looks like im going with the PMR or DM6, i know the PMR is more in my price range, is the DM6 that much better for the price? or should i get the PMR and trick it out a bit?

you can get a used pm6 for not much more than a new pmr..It's up to you really.

[oblivion86]

So there isn't that much difference between the two? As in i won't regret getting a PMR and tricking it out? (sounds like much more fun )

[PaintBallBob]

-Sell the spyder and the Egg (should net about 80-100 together). Also sell your mask if you have one(***uming its not a good one: Profiler, vents, invisions, proflexes). This should bump your budget up to around 480 (im ***uming you no longer have a mask since you didnt mention one).

Then with all that money go and buy:

-A used Halo B ($60-80): Get one with at least a rip drive bare minimum. Other good upgrades: delrin drive cone, new boards(angry, v35, cheeta), suicide shells, and of course speedfeeds. If you feel like it and want to spend the extra money, you could get a max'd out one for between 80-100 easy. You could also get two cheaper ones so you'd have a back up. But, in my opinion, id just buy one basic halo as thats all you need at this point.

-A Used DM5, SFT Shocker, or PM6: Scour the nation for any of these markers. They are the high-end markers of yesteryear and will still more then compete with their current conterparts. For the DM5 and PM6 make sure it has either an aftermarket chip/board or an Ultralite frame, other then that (and a barrel for the pm6 if you feel like it) stock everything is fine. For the shocker: an upgraded bolt kit(HE, Evolve, Freeflow), a board(Blackheart, tadao, predator), feedneck(q-lock, ccm), trigger(cp, newdesignz), and regulator(cp, aka) are all musts. All these guns should be in the same price range. Maybe use a third party on the nation(through one of the admins) if your nervous.

-If you wanna buy new: look into an ion, invert mini, or Proto Rail. All of these are fine markers, but youd really do better buying used. Maybe use a third party on the nation(through one of the admins) if your nervous.

-Keep your tank its fine for now. When your ready (or if you want, now) get either a 68/45 or a 45/45. Preferably buy used, if you do make sure to check the hydro dates. Pure Energy and Crossfire are good.

-For a mask either get a profiler or a proflex, its personal preference. Dont skimp on the mask though.

[oblivion86]

Sweet sounds good, i actually am digging the PMR, which i might consider buying new just because i despppppiiiisee buying used things, don't ask why, it just bugs me....haha. So if i was to get that PMR....what upgrades?

[Emeralds]

get a ul frame. new asa. when i first got the pmr the trigger felt a little finiky and the grip although not bad could be upgraded. the feedneck is plastic so u might want to replace that. you will be glad with a PMR

[oblivion86]

cool, UL frame = Ultralight frame or something along those lines, if im not mistaken. Haha....excuse my lack of lingo but whats an ASA? Haha...and i got a pair of Dye Sticky's on my spyder which i could swap to the PMR if they would fit, dunno. and feednecks are cheap so that won't be a problem

[evolkers2003]

PMR upgrades? Back cap and UL frame (yes, the ultra light frame). The Dye sticky grips you have will not fit the UL frame either but the UL frame grips are nice and a company called hybrid just came out with some grips for the UL frame so check them out. Otherwise a new ASA should be bought right away, along with a feedneck. There ya go, thats a pretty nice PMR. Keep the same regulator on the gun because it is a pretty nice one.

For the PMR I would get a slightly bigger tank. If you get your board settings right a PMR can have good gas efficiency but i would buy a Custom Products 68 ci 4500 psi tank. They are really small and really light. The for a hopper i would get some time of vlocity. The vlocitys are great hoppers and i have never had mine or any of my friends break, while i have seen a ton of Halo hoppers break.

Also, look into a new mask because they are really important. I have never seen a better goggle system than the profilers for the price. The profilers will give you a top end performance with mid-range price. Only $65 at places like sniper productions

[oblivion86]

Thanks! Still don't quite get what the ASA is, but i guess i'll find out! haha. and i think i will upgrade the tank/hopper, how expensive are the vlocity's? and a new tank and goggles sound like a relief, i was burning up gas like a hummer at the pump with the spyder and the pure energy tank!

[evolkers2003]

AN ASA is an Air source adapter and thats where you screw the tank into. Your going to want to get an ON/off ASA, thats were you can turn the air on and off that goes to the gun while the tank is still on. Its saves on the threads. The Vlocitys are $100 for the Jr edition and the normal Vlocitys are $120. If you get the Jr and you want a regular later though its only $20 to get the chip that you have to put in it.

[oblivion86]

oh ok thats what i figured, it was one of the two i was thinking anyways..haha. but the ASA shouldn't be too expensive if im not mistaken, and is the Vlocity that much better than an eggy? (as in is it worth the cash :P)

[evolkers2003]

The egg2 is a very inconsistent loader. I had one on my Ion and i couldnt lane very good. I wipped the vlocity on there and my Ion was cranking the balls out. The Jr. version is only $20 than a egg3. The egg3 is very good but once again not as consistent as the vlocitys.

A good on/off asa like the CP direct mounts run for around $40. I know i suggest CP (custom products) a lot bu they make very good products and are masters of air.

[oblivion86]

alrighty, my eggy is going bye bye then..haha. vlocity here i come.

oh and i remember CP at least, they rox my sox. haha.

thanks again

[PaintBallBob]

If your going for a PMR then id suggest getting a barrel, UL frame, and back cap. However, id wait until youve played with the stock PMR a few times(at least before getting the UL frame). Not everyone likes the UL frame, so id deffinitly suggest using your stock frame and a gun with the UL frame before going out and buying one.

Vlocities are great hoppers, but i think you can get a much better deal on a halo if your buying used. If your buying new, either will do.

Since the PMR's are worse on air then some of your other options you might want to look into getting a new, larger tank in the near future. I'd suggest a 68 ci 4500psi tank from draxxus, crossfire, or pure energy. Deffinitley do not get anything larger then a 68ci tank.


good luck and welcome back

[oblivion86]

Works for me, the UL frame is 200 bucks more as well so ill go with the stock until i can raise my funds a bit. whats the UL FRAME good for anyhow?

and i'll probably be buying a hopper new, so i might go with a halo, as i think they look better than the vlocity's...haha.

thanks for the info! i thought PMR'S were good on air though?

[spyderhater66]

don't get a halo i've seen a lot of problems with halos but never had a problem wiht my volocity!