[rivermandan]

Yes, I read the sticky newb threads, but they really didn't comment on accuracy. I've played paintball but once and I am flipping hooked, was the most fun I've had in ages. My only complaint was the complete inaccuracy of the marker I was using. I don't know if this is inherit in all markers and something people just deal with, or if I was just using a crappy marker (my money is on the latter). from 50 feet away, if the marker was in a vice, I want a spread of less then a foot apart. is this possible? let me reiterate my question.

I need a marker, and I don't know what to buy. my ONLY concern is accuracy, money is not much of an issue (though I would like to keep the marker, hopper and tank under $500 if I can), and full auto is NOT NEEDED. If getting an accurate marker means I have to buy a fully auto marker, then so be it, but I would rather a basic semi if I can.

thanks in advance guys!

[martix_agent]

if you want accuracy, buy good paint. No paintball marker shoots perfectly accurately because they shoot gelatin ball filled with liquid.
also look into a J&J or CP barrel. 12-16 inches is a good size, just know that longer is not equal to more accuracy.

[Weever]

Exept for high-ends, most stock barrels on any markers aren't that good. Sure you can buy an aftermarket barrel, but you'll never be able to shoot in a square foot at 50' just because of the paintballs.

Here's a tip : a J&J barrel, dxs silver balls or gold, and HPA are your friends for accuracy. The J&J barrel will help, the DXS gold paint is really really good (really good) and HPA help to gain in constency, so it will help accuracy.

So pickup a good marker (like an Ion or a VS2), get a J&J barrel, HPA tank and nice hopper (Vlocity or Pulse), then you'll have something really realiable and accurate. You can't get better in that range of price.

[Lord Headley]

Yea, using a spider you'll never hit a 1ft circle every time. Gotta go AGD baby, Automags are great for accuracy, just require a little more knowledge to use and maintain.

Back to your question, a good barrel and decent paint will help.

- Brian

[martix_agent]

I was actually gonna suggest a mag because he's wanting a mechanical marker.

[txaggie08]

In a high quality mech, it's going to be hard to beat the mag. The only really competition for high end mechs for a mag is a good cocker without spending your left leg on a palmers or something....

[Lord Headley]

Cockers wish they were comp for a mag. lol

[rivermandan]

What exactly is a "mag"? Remember guys, I am 100% new here I like the sound of mechanical, would love to get by with no electronics if i can. for the books, this is for use in the bush

[Lord Headley]

http://www.paintballforum.com/air-gun-designs-agd/

[rivermandan]

ahh, I see about ten thousand different markers there, which one is the one you were recommending?

[martix_agent]

that's the mag section. they're all the same sort of marker.

VERY reliable, barely ever shop if you set up up right, and have a short trigger pull, making it able to shoot quickly.

[txaggie08]

There are two basic types of automag valve(when I say "mag valve" I'm reffering to the entire functional part of the marker):

The "rt", which includes the Xvalve, Retro valve and E-mag valve.- They require CO2 and tend to have a "reactive" bounce effect with a good tank. These are the most modern AGD valve(the X valve is an aluminum version of the others and is lighter, but more expensive).

The "classic" is a stainless valve, and is the original automag valve. Little heavier trigger pull, and no reactive ability, but will run on CO@ properly were RT valves will NOT(period...)

You will see three basic "types" of bodies:

"twistlock" or "classic"- these bodies are SS and use the older twistlock style barrels. Much cheaper, but heavier and you have a limited selection on barrels new(lots of used ones). Some are vert feed, and take a special barrel, but most are Right or left(either power or standard) feed.

"ULE" bodies, and the aftermarket version thereof- These bodies are cocker threaded, use angel(I think)detents and angel feednecks. There are the basic agd made ule bodies, the two RPG bodies called the pariah and exile that are built from those bodies, plus a mutltitude of VERY nice bodies milled by companies like Deadlywind, including the Karta, chord, and Dallara from DW, the IT body, the "ripper" made by xmag terror, and the "galactic Z" body.

Micromags- These are one piece bodies made by PTP. They do not have rails, but are cocker threaded as well. Comes in Vert or PF right options.


Rails are all about the same thing, some look nicer, some are milled to be EXTREMELY light, pick a ULE length rail you like(THE AM/MM length would be necessary for a classic body.)

Frames- There is the Intelliframe from AGD, as well as the CF single frame. Benchmark put out a single and double finger frame(I have a single on my classic actually). Rogue products has a 90* angel style frame and a new hybrid frame coming out soon. Jay8451 from Cerberus has a frame called the airwalk and storm walk out as well.


If you have more questions, or would like some help, Headley is probably more knowledgeable than I am, but he or I one are around quite alot, and I'm sure alpha will help you. The forums at automags.org are a great resource as well, Many of the dealers who sell automags and develop products for them post there almost daily.

also checkout
Themagsmith.com
Tunamart.com
For parts and complete NEW guns.

[noobie_noober]

Originally Posted by Lord Headley

Yea, using a spider you'll never hit a 1ft circle every time. Gotta go AGD baby, Automags are great for accuracy, just require a little more knowledge to use and maintain.

Back to your question, a good barrel and decent paint will help.

- Brian

I unno about that, fifty feet away aiming with a stock Xtra and a stock pilot did...shot about 30 shots of each too... :/

BTW Xtra isn't a bad gun, great beginner pretty strong as far as low-end-mechs for spyders go.

[rivermandan]

txaggie08 : Thanks for the response, it will take me quite a bit of google searches to fully digest all of that information, but I am really grateful for the response!

To the rest of you : Thanks as well for the input, I thought this was going to be a quick easy choice but it looks like I have a lot of research on my hands

[noobie_noober]

The Spyder Xtra isn't so bad, great beginner gun, most spyders are, itr's different then other mech spyders, better built and pretty accurate as far as spyders and mechs go.

[Lord Headley]

Spyders aren’t bad for what they are, it’s when people try to talk them up like they’re something they’re not, that’s when I have an issue with them.

Example:

Spyders are way better than Tippmanns! I mean, they can fire faster and they look cooler.

Ok, so there are 8 million forms of upgrades out there for the stacked tube blowbacks. About 7.9 million of them are useless and don’t do jack for performance. They’re faster than a stock tippmann yes, but tippmanns can be upgraded. They’re no where near as reliable as a tippmann, but they’re cheaper. They CAN be more accurate then the NEWER tippmanns simply by design, but the older ones were accurate as **** with a good barrel.

Each marker has its own perks, but to compare two low end markers and just totally trash them without properly comparing them, that’s ignorance. Paintball is full of ignorance…. And twelve year olds. (God how I hate twelve year olds)

Bottom line, get a mag if you want a unique marker that still turns heads on the field, even though the design really has changed at all since it’s creation.

- Brian

[YouCantSeeMee]

Originally Posted by martix_agent

if you want accuracy, buy good paint. No paintball marker shoots perfectly accurately because they shoot gelatin ball filled with liquid.
also look into a J&J or CP barrel. 12-16 inches is a good size, just know that longer is not equal to more accuracy.

Yeah, it is really hard to get an "accurate" marker. The paintball determines the "accuracy". The suggested barrel will help to get a good fit for the paintball though. It will help to make it fly straighter (correct me if I'm wrong).

Originally Posted by Weever

Exept for high-ends, most stock barrels on any markers aren't that good. Sure you can buy an aftermarket barrel, but you'll never be able to shoot in a square foot at 50' just because of the paintballs.

Here's a tip : a J&J barrel, dxs silver balls or gold, and HPA are your friends for accuracy. The J&J barrel will help, the DXS gold paint is really really good (really good) and HPA help to gain in constency, so it will help accuracy.

So pickup a good marker (like an Ion or a VS2), get a J&J barrel, HPA tank and nice hopper (Vlocity or Pulse), then you'll have something really realiable and accurate. You can't get better in that range of price.

I like the barrel that came with my Ion. It helps to get the ball to fly straighter. I'd suggest the setup that I have in my sig (minus the mask and pants, unless you like them too).

[Lord Headley]

Accuracy is flying straighter. The straighter it goes, the more accurate it’s going to be. The paint isn’t as important as you think. I used to shoot cheap stuff because my level 10 could handle it, and I was accurate as hell.

The key is a great barrel. Barrels determine way more then some of you guys give them credit for. I wouldn’t think twice dropping $150 on a barrel if I knew it was a great barrel. JJ ceramics are a cheap fix, but they’re not nearly what they’re cracked up to be. I found in my travels that a decently priced barrel was the smart parts all American. The one piece barrel was wonderful, the two piece lost a bit in the performance, but it wasn’t too horrible.

- Brian