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**kenny_1491** · March 27th, 11:34 AM

Bad idea.

**skapunkin** · March 27th, 12:14 PM

Take whatever you want into the woods.

People use simple mechanicals and electronics with tougher reputations (Ion) in the woods because they fear hurting an expensive marker -- but if you're careful you should be alright.

Tho... I don't see what a PM6 will do for you in inclement terrain that an Ion won't.

**txaggie08** · March 27th, 03:07 PM

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with tougher reputations (Ion)

you realize, except in precious few fanboy and beginner circles, the ion's only reputation is for being a giant turd...

**kenny_1491** · March 27th, 03:13 PM

I'd rather take an ion over a pm6 into the woods, that away if dirt etc gets into my gun idc if it fries it, I'd **** a brick if something got into my PM6 and killed it(rhetorically speaking, I don't have a PM6).

**txaggie08** · March 27th, 03:49 PM

bah, unless your a har-tard and go out in 5 foot deep mud, or decide to play rambo through a river, your not going to get anything in your gun under a tree as you will on a worn down grass speedball field.

honestly our airball fields stay nastier than the woods half the time. People worry to much about perception...

**Trbo323** · March 27th, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by txaggie08

bah, unless your a har-tard and go out in 5 foot deep mud, or decide to play rambo through a river, your not going to get anything in your gun under a tree as you will on a worn down grass speedball field.

honestly our airball fields stay nastier than the woods half the time. People worry to much about perception...

i agree, iv come out of speedball games with a lot more junk on me and my marker than most of the woodsball games iv played

jballer78 · March 27th, 05:55 PM

Thanks for the posts..

**skapunkin** · March 27th, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by txaggie08

you realize, except in precious few fanboy and beginner circles, the ion's only reputation is for being a giant turd...

I don't realize that. All the research I have done on the Ion has shown it to be a very dependable entry-level performance electro, with a reputation for taking abuse gracefully.

These people include owners of Ions and paintball shop owners, online reviews, and those who have tested the marker in play.

I'll mark one down for your group -- "those who feel the Ion is a fanboy marker with an unearned reputation"

**kenny_1491** · March 27th, 07:40 PM

Only thing I really get on me is paint on an airball field, a lil mud if It's rainy, but that's the same as a woodsball field(the mud would be to more extremities on woods though).

**txaggie08** · March 27th, 07:55 PM

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These people include owners of Ions and paintball shop owners, online reviews, and those who have tested the marker in play.

put me in the airsmith/field worker/someone who's played with it, worked on it, and dealt with it since it's release. If you do a little more research I think you'll find most unbiased reviews tend to point out that between QC and a poor design, they are a long way from dependable.

Don't wag the finger at me man, If you'll do a little research into my post history, you will discover patronizing me is unnecessary, and my opinions aren't as simple as you'd like to make them. Thanks for getting tacky about it though

**Trbo323** · March 27th, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by txaggie08

put me in the airsmith/field worker/someone who's played with it, worked on it, and dealt with it since it's release. If you do a little more research I think you'll find most unbiased reviews tend to point out that between QC and a poor design, they are a long way from dependable.

granted i probably dont have the experience with them that txaggie does, i have played with one and worked on it, i think its rediculus how hard it is to get to the bolt, if you mess up and have it running with eyes off and chop a ball, you then have to compleatly disasemble it to get to the bolt, horrid design,

im not saying they are the worst marker ever though, i have no idea about reliability, but they are fast becoming the 98c of electronic markers, they are nothing special, but for some reason Iv come accross a lot of people that seem to think they are the best marker out there (most of these people have large egos because they now own a electro.) my buddy Matt was the same way, he thought it was the best, better than my uped impulse, i couldnt figure out how he was fireing so fast (this was when he was just starting to play speedball) untill after the game i found out he was running it on 3 ball burst in a speedball match, he didnt know it was supposed to be semi only...

**kenny_1491** · March 27th, 08:26 PM

Ions have a lot of potential, if SP fixed the nooks and cranny's that are still left in them(horrid threading for the barbs/QEV screw holes, that horrid stock duckbill and feedneck, include at least a Jr freak stock).

**Trbo323** · March 27th, 08:34 PM

ya iv seen a lot of uped ions that i have a lot of respect for, they CAN be quite nice, i dont know much about the epiphany but from what iv heard its a dressed up ion, did sp try to fix any of that with the epiphany?

**kenny_1491** · March 27th, 08:47 PM

They killed the drop off by upping the operating pressure, which also upped max ROF as well and increased efficiency if I am not mistaken(I know I was getting at least a case and then some offa my 68/45), and gave it a better on/off button and firebolt stock.

**skapunkin** · March 27th, 10:27 PM

Well I didn't mean to piss you off.

**kenny_1491** · March 28th, 12:31 AM

Nobody has been pissed, just a nice little debate over the ions quality.

***Stompy*** · March 28th, 06:01 PM

i have seen a lot of woodsball/scenario players who swear by tippmann ONLY that have succumbed to using ions in woods play.

so use whatever you feel like.

a pm6 will own on any turf d00d