[McDizzle]

For price to performance, what is better? And what is a good regulator to get if I do go that route. I have a 14oz tank already, would adding a regulator be beneficial?

I have never dealt with one before so I'm new to the idea.

Thanks!

[TBDragonMan]

What type of marker do you have?

[McDizzle]

Originally Posted by TBDragonMan

What type of marker do you have?

Tippmann 98 Custom

[martix_agent]

there's no need to regulate CO2 on a tippman.

[Trbo323]

no, the co2 comes out of the tank at the operating pressure theres no need to further regulate it, a expantion chamber may be usefull but I always recomend HPA , very consistant, more shots, dont need nearly as many o rings, i think iv gone through 2 in the last year. plus if you ever get a better marker you dont need to worry about your propelant. If you do go this rout, make sure to get a tank that is high pressure, all air tanks have a regulator built in but they come in either high or low output pressure, the high pressure will match the output pressure of the co2 you are running now. good luck hope this helps

[McDizzle]

Originally Posted by martix_agent

there's no need to regulate CO2 on a tippman.

Originally Posted by Trbo323

I always recomend HPA , very consistant

It seems like these statrements are conflicting. Is there something I am missing?

To regulate the CO2, or keep it regular, meaning not irregular, you need to regulate it, right?

The point of a HPA tank is that the air is not irregular, it's consistent. I must be missing something

Originally Posted by Trbo323

the co2 comes out of the tank at the operating pressure theres no need to further regulate it

Then why get HPA if CO2 does it's job consistently? (which it doesn't)

[Trbo323]

ok here is the basic run down on co2 vs hpa

co2, is self regulating in a sence, when it is compressed it goes to a liquid form, right at around 750 psi, so when you are shooting and it is going back into a gas form it is already at 750 psi, so basically your tank has aproximatly 750 psi in it at all times even when there is not much liquid co2 in the tank, this is also why the co2 tanks get cold, because when the co2 is going from a liquid to a gas is sucks in any surounding heat. but the major flaw of co2 is that depending on the temperature, the pressure in the tank can change, so if its a hot sunny day the co2 will go from a liquid to a gas at 800 psi instead of 750, if its cold it could be 700 psi. also if the liquid co2 gets into your marker it can do some not so good things, as it expands it gets cold, that cold is not good for any o rings or seals, have you ever seen what looks like snow coming from your barrel? thats why, a bit of the liquid came all the way through. (expansion chambers allow space for the co2 to expand b 4 it gets to the workings of the marker) also since co2 is cold it will cool down your barrel, this makes condensation colect on the inside of the barrel, affecting accuracy

hpa, is either stored in the tank at 3000 psi or 4500 psi, then goes through a regulator on the tank that generally brings it down to a constant 750 or so psi, then generally goes through another regulator on the marker to further reduce it. (this is generally on higher end markers, a 98c could run straight off of the tank at 750 psi or so) so even if its hot out a hpa tank will still be putting out the same psi no matter what, at the same temperature as the surrounding air so theres also no condensation. thats where hpa is more consistant than co2, also co2 can very a bit from shot to shot, depending on how it expands, one shot may be at 300 fps the next at 280 and the one after that at 310, thats a bit extreme but not unheard of.

so for hpa even if theres only 1000 psi left in the tank the regulator will still be putting out 750psi untill the psi in the tank drops below 750.

did this help any?

[Trbo323]

Originally Posted by McDizzle

To regulate the CO2, or keep it regular, meaning not irregular, you need to regulate it, right?

one thing i forgot to mention, if you regulated the co2, it would still not be as consistant as hpa due to the temperature and how it expands, not to mention co2 and regulators are generally not a good mix, the cold co2 does not do good things to the seals

[McDizzle]

Hmm, ok. Thanks for the clarification! Maybe someday when I'm nice and rich I'll get HPA.

Thanks again

[kenny_1491]

You can get a nice HPA tank for pretty cheap on the nation used.

[txaggie08]

I'm going to disagree here.

There ARE benefits to regulating CO2, in all but VERY rare instances. That's not regulating ALOT, but regulating is worthwhile. The trick is the RIGHT regulator.

The palmers reg, along with the aka LONG sidewinder, not only provide a more consistent flow of gas, CO2 almost never drops below 400 and spikes become irrelevant, they act as expansion chambers due to the way in which the gas moves past the reg seat.

Contrary to popular opinion, CO2 will not damage a properly maintained reg. They've been running on cockers for years that way....it's mostly propaganda and people refusing to lubricate regs the right way.

CO2 is far from the inferior gas source. Not only does it provide MORE shots per CI of tank on gun, it's safer to work with,and cheaper(because it's so readily available). The great flaw of CO2 is that it's dirty, and manufacturers have abandoned the more durable designs and solenoids needed to properly use the gas. CORRECTLY setup, Most mechanical or electro mechanical(ie guns not using a pneumatic flow-thru noid) guns are better off using CO2 with a purpose built reg(the palmer regs where MADE for that. They're not the hottest looking things, but they're the best in this application, no questions) just for the much larger in-tank capacity and simplicity.

HPA is NOT necessary on the gun you have. It will work fine,but is an awful waste. The tippman should be fully functional on a an anti-siphon tank with little to no velocity spikes...

[kenny_1491]

With a tippy you don't even need anti siphon. There is nothing ot keep tihe liquid out of.

[Trbo323]

Originally Posted by txaggie08

I'm going to disagree here.

There ARE benefits to regulating CO2, in all but VERY rare instances. That's not regulating ALOT, but regulating is worthwhile. The trick is the RIGHT regulator.

The palmers reg, along with the aka LONG sidewinder, not only provide a more consistent flow of gas, CO2 almost never drops below 400 and spikes become irrelevant, they act as expansion chambers due to the way in which the gas moves past the reg seat.

Contrary to popular opinion, CO2 will not damage a properly maintained reg. They've been running on cockers for years that way....it's mostly propaganda and people refusing to lubricate regs the right way.

CO2 is far from the inferior gas source. Not only does it provide MORE shots per CI of tank on gun, it's safer to work with,and cheaper(because it's so readily available). The great flaw of CO2 is that it's dirty, and manufacturers have abandoned the more durable designs and solenoids needed to properly use the gas. CORRECTLY setup, Most mechanical or electro mechanical(ie guns not using a pneumatic flow-thru noid) guns are better off using CO2 with a purpose built reg(the palmer regs where MADE for that. They're not the hottest looking things, but they're the best in this application, no questions) just for the much larger in-tank capacity and simplicity.

HPA is NOT necessary on the gun you have. It will work fine,but is an awful waste. The tippman should be fully functional on a an anti-siphon tank with little to no velocity spikes...

well i never claimed to be an expert, but that just seems like entierly too much work and money to put into co2 when the rest of the world is running hpa, its like bata tapes vs vhs.

iv never seen a 98c with a co2 reg. personally I think that money can be better spent on other things but thats just me.

[txaggie08]

Anti-siphon is still going to stop velocity spikes, because it will keep liquid out of the gun...


The rest of the world is running HPA because companies chose not to pursue design conducive to CO2 usage, not because it's an inherently better gas source...

[Trbo323]

regardless of what you do to co2 you will still have the problem of condensation