[Priss]

Hey guys,
You have no idea how much your forum has helped me learn more about Markers and accessories.
Now that I know what I am generally looking for I need a few tips on the following:

I'm going for Woodsball strickly. No intentions of Speedball'n

-Looking at the Tippmann 98 Custom / Pro / A-5 because it was recommended.
I'd like to know if there is something better if I'm only Woodsball'n
If not. Which of the 3 models should I pick.

-Looking at 20 OZ Co2 Tank w/ anti Siphon
Should I go with HPA for the performance?

-Looking at Revy's Viewloader just because the guide says so

-Mask? I'll get to it when I have my basics.

Here are my worries. With the Tippmann I read I will need to have a good barrel
for good performance(any recommendation?). And last but not least... is buying a
used kit on Ebay worth it? Or go straight to my retailer.

Money isn't so much an issue... I'm a beginner and will stick for low end but still
looking for performance as recommended.

Thank you for the replies in advance,

Priss

[Priss]

any help?

[Crawdaddy]

A good mask should be your first investment sure markers are more fun to shop for but a crappy mask will fog and completely ruin your day. Look for a mask with a Thermal lens and don't settle for less JT makes some nice affordable ones.

Tippmann 98s and A5s are decent markers and will get you started between the two I'd go with the 98 A5s are essentially the same marker with the cyclone feed an agitated hopper will do the same as the cyclone but better.

If you want a recommendation for something better than a Tippmann look into Automags they offer far superior performance with no batteries required. They have internal regulation so the accuracy is insane and you can strip the marker down to clean it with the removal of one thumbscrew. I own three Automags and I love them to death they have shot a lot of paint and I haven't had one break down on me yet and with a level ten bolt upgrade it is literally impossible to chop paint 'mags eat Tippmanns for lunch.

If your local field can fill HPA I'd invest in an HPA tank it offers superior all weather performance (CO2 gets very unreliable at low temperatures) greater shot to shot consistency and if you choose to buy a highend marker later you have a lot more options. If you want to stick with CO2 or HPA isn't available look into a Palmer's Stabilizer they are regulators for CO2 and will help you get the most out of a CO2 setup.

Buying a used setup can be a great way to save money but I would never buy an entry level setup because the chances are that the last guy bought it for his first setup and the gear is probably junk now. If you do buy a used marker always order an oring kit and/or parts kit and immediately replace the orings and be prepared to rebuild the marker a clueless previous owner could have done a lot of damage to a paintball gun in a very short amount of time. If I were starting out again I'd go to a proshop and buy a marker this way you have a local guy to help you with any problems and you can try a few different markers out before you buy it might cost a few extra dollars in the short term but in the long run the local guy will always be there for you after the sale.


Hope I was of some help and welcome to paintball.

[martix_agent]

check out the J&J ceramics barrel Not only are they awesome barrels and cheap, they also shoot out breaks if you happen to have that happen.

Crawdad, since he's not playing speedball I'm gong to assume he wont' have available HPA tank fills while playing. Because HPA tanks don't last long when compared to a co2 tank of the same size I do believe that a CO2 tank will be his best option in the way he will be playing. It's very true that mags are one of the best mech markers, but they also require HPA or an expensive setup in order to operate with CO2.

[Priss]

HPA refill is no problem with the place I can refill at $1/1000psi.
I would be getting 2 tanks
-looking at roughly at 48-72C 3000PSI

So I'll go with the Custom 98 Pro since it's a few bucks higher with a drop foward
and few lil' gizmos extra. W/ the J&J Ceramic Barrel. Mask should be no problem.
I really just wanted the technical down.

I'll invest into an Automag in the future

Last question.. the size of the ball per barrel fit is the key to accuracy I hear.
How do I know what to get and what not?

Priss

[Crawdaddy]

A simple test is to put the ball in the barrel and try to blow it out. If the ball rolls out the end the barrel is too big. If your face turns purple and the ball stays put the barrel is too small. If the ball shoots out the end with little effort you have a perfect match. As long as the barrel isn't too small (small equals breaks) I don't stress too much about barrel sizes paintballs aren't laser beam accurate at the best of times.

[the_real_kaz]

DO NOT get anything with 3000 psi! The tanks are very heavy! You will be alot happier spending the extra $50 and getting a cheaper carbon fiber tank. Something like a 68/4500 would be ideal. If your planing on playing really long senerio games where you'll shoot 1500-1800 times before refilling then get a 72/4500 or a 92/4500.

Also you will need High pressure air for a tippmann.


Crawdaddy, an automag wouldn't be a good idea for new player. The company isn't around anymore so getting parts and so on will be hard. Also a cyclone system is a LOT better then an aggitating hopper. It feeds more consistant than a stock HALO and just as fast. The down side to the cyclone is that it takes up more room, which is a pain in speedball. Not as big of a deal in the woods.

I also wouldn't worry a lot about buying a used tippmann. You can't really hurt it if you tried and if you somehow managed to, you could get any part very easly.

[martix_agent]

err kaz, I own a 30psi tank made from a fiber wrapped material.
plus AMG is most definately still alive and kicking.

PLUS buying a used tippman would yield a better quality marker as the newer ones have dropped in quality.

3 strikes...you're out.

[Trbo323]

Originally Posted by martix_agent

3 strikes...you're out.

lol, ya id say go with the 98c pro and a j&j barrel, i have one for my impulse they are new for $30 if you want something like a kit i know j&j makes one but dont know about the price or how good it is, as for a mask, i got a used dye invision for like $20, if you get a good quality used mask be sure to buy a new lens. if your going with air, i think youll be a lot happier with a 4500 psi tank than a 3000, a buddy of mine has a 3000, he cant shoot nearly as much paint as i can, there has been more than one game that he runs out of air early.

as for a future investment in a gun, not to bash automag, i got nothing against them, but the world of e markers is expanding every day, you can now get a pmr for around $250 (not the best marker ever by any means but it definatly holds it own and will outshoot something like a ion)

well hope this helps, i gota get back to work anyway. paintball>work

[Crawdaddy]

I'm not a die hard mechanical marker fan I also own an Ego that gets more than enough field time but I do believe that Automags are superior to anything that Tippmann could ever hope to produce. Another option for a new player would be the SP-1 I think over the summer these are going to virtually replace the Tippmann 98 on fields everywhere. A nice rate of fire with a light electro trigger pull, Co2 compatible and that milsimish look that so many of the Tippmann buyers find irresistible.

[the_real_kaz]

Yea so is ICD lol lol lol matrix, what ever open your eyes and face the facts. Show me one thing AGD has come out with in the past year and a half. Automags arn't a good newbie marker.

I said that he should buy used!!?? Your post makes no sense. it's called READING!

99% of 3000psi tanks are steele's and you know it. and 4500 are so much nicer period.

3 strikes wtf? How did you ever get to be a mod honestly.

[Crawdaddy]

The past year and a half?! That is the problem with so many players today they all want something new never mind something that works. I'd like to know what it is about mags that doesn't make them a good newbie marker? The only argument against them so far is that AGD is out of business which isn't true at all.

[martix_agent]

Originally Posted by the_real_kaz

Yea so is ICD lol lol lol matrix, what ever open your eyes and face the facts. Show me one thing AGD has come out with in the past year and a half. Automags arn't a good newbie marker.

I said that he should buy used!!?? Your post makes no sense. it's called READING!

99% of 3000psi tanks are steele's and you know it. and 4500 are so much nicer period.

3 strikes wtf? How did you ever get to be a mod honestly.

you made my giggle.
AMG still maks markers and parts, I dont' see hoe ICD fits into this at all

I never said you told him to buy used

all metal tanks are 3000psi but not all 3000psi tanks are aluminium.

[Priss]

Originally Posted by martix_agent

you made my giggle.
AMG still makes markers and parts, I dont' see hoe ICD fits into this at all

I never said you told him to buy used

all metal tanks are 3000psi but not all 3000psi tanks are aluminium.

damn it? I hate Syllogism...
So I'm looking for Carbon Fiber Tank to make it lighter. That's
the jits of the argument I hear.

How do I know how new the Tippmann is if I'm looking at retail..
Is there a way to know that it int poor quality as opposed to the
older ones manufactured?
Or should I go with a different marker all together?