[Ddefontes]

new question, which gun is better? a smartparts ion, vibe or the sp1?

[TippmannFireman]

In my opinion, the Blackheart Vibe is the best out of those.

[tlmiller]

AGreed. BH Vibe > Ion XE > Vibe > SP1 > not playing > being slaughtered like cattle with a dull knife > Ion.

[Crawdaddy]

What about a Blackheart SP1? They are the same thing as a Vibe.

[Ddefontes]

whats a good barrel for the bh vibe?

[Db0ne]

cp,jj, doesnt really matter. Most aftermarket barrels are pretty good.

[tlmiller]

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy

What about a Blackheart SP1? They are the same thing as a Vibe.

It's the same price as the BH vibe, but still only has a single finger trigger. IMO, for the type of player that the SP1 is targeted at, I don't honestly see a point in the BH SP1.

[Ddefontes]

so everyone thinks tippman x7, a5 is junk? and smartparts is the way to go for a first gun?

[Db0ne]

x7 isnt junk, its just way too over priced for what it is.
vibe/sp1 is the way to go, some smart parts markers are questionable

[Riddler236]

Originally Posted by tlmiller

AGreed. BH Vibe > Ion XE > Vibe > SP1 > not playing > being slaughtered like cattle with a dull knife > Ion.

I'd flip that around a little, personally...

being slaughtered like cattle with a dull knife > shooting any SP marker

but that's just me.

[tlmiller]

Yeah, but the Vibe is so much better shooting than anything else in it's price range it's not funny. So no matter how horrible SP is, you cannot ignor that for less than the cost of a Tippmann, you get a marker that is smaller, lighter, faster, more efficient (how sad is that), just as good on co2, more consistent, easier to work on, and upgrades if you decide to get them actually improve PERFORMANCE, not just adding on useless accessories to make it look pretty.

And new, other than Tippmanns, Spyder, and Azodins, nothing else is really in the same price range as the vibe. So while I might hate SP as much as the next guy, more than some, the low end blowbacks need to drop their price well below $100 for their HIGH END model to compete with the Vibe in terms of performance for the price.

[Trbo323]

absolutely agreed ^^ back when the vs1 was the cats pajamas selling at $99 it was an excellent buy. but in todays market blowback prices are too high to really compete and strive. if someone else comes out with an unbalanced spool or equivalent for the price as the vibe tippmann may start hurting

but i will say X7 is junk on top of a entry level blowback that is already overpriced

so i guess you can shorten that to junk on top of junk

[TheAznInvazn]

Haha!
They now sell what is called something like an EW-1 on ANS, Paintball Gateway, and possibly other sited for around $75!

It's just an all black VS-1


PBG EW-1 .68 Caliber Electronic Paintball Gun - Black Dust

[Trbo323]

holy crap its $60!!!

[tlmiller]

Wow, yeah, AWESOME price for that!!!

[TheAznInvazn]

I will be picking up one myself as soon as I get the cash