[Trbo323]

no problem, glad you enjoyed

[Max07]

Originally Posted by Trbo323

ya i doubt it. honestly i dont see why tippmann did not take the BT rout on this and use a 98c. as far as i can tell the slice can still use all BT-4 internals and mods (if anyone would want to research that it would be much appreciated)

Ya, the BT-4 Combat Slice is compatible with all of the BT-4 accesories, you can pretty much have any BT marker (except the TM-series) working with this technology.


Tippmann's objective was purely ta have amarker perfect for rentals, so no need of rails or anything since it is just meant to be for rentals. BT wanted to bring the same technology to players so they did their own version.

[Trbo323]

Originally Posted by Max07

Ya, the BT-4 Combat Slice is compatible with all of the BT-4 accesories, you can pretty much have any BT marker (except the TM-series) working with this technology.


Tippmann's objective was purely ta have amarker perfect for rentals, so no need of rails or anything since it is just meant to be for rentals. BT wanted to bring the same technology to players so they did their own version.

ya but then why not make the FT-12 capable of using 98 parts? that way any field that already was running 98s could slowly transition to the FT-12 and not have to stock 98 parts as well as FT-12 parts

the way i see it, Tippmann did it this was to make money, BT did it their way to make a great marker.

[huckduck]

delete on ignorance

[Trbo323]

thats a bunch of crap, of course it was. they released it as a "rental only" just so the fields would test it first and find any bugs not to mention get the rental players familiar with it. all they had to do to release it to the public was make more, they already had the tools, stamps and whatever else they needed, just feed the machines more metal.

name me another marker that has ever been produced as a "rental only"

when it came out i even said this will be released to the public eventually and here we are roughly a year later

[martix_agent]

I bet you they did create it as a rental only product. Once the public caught wind of it, they wanted in on it as well.

[huckduck]

Originally Posted by Trbo323

thats a bunch of crap, of course it was. they released it as a "rental only" just so the fields would test it first and find any bugs not to mention get the rental players familiar with it. all they had to do to release it to the public was make more, they already had the tools, stamps and whatever else they needed, just feed the machines more metal.

name me another marker that has ever been produced as a "rental only"

when it came out i even said this will be released to the public eventually and here we are roughly a year later

you beat me to it. i deleted my comment... but apparently not fast enough >.<

[ironman08270]

Originally Posted by tlmiller

Yes, but they are priced accordingly. You can get a mech Spyder for 1/2 the price of a mech Tippmann. Considering performance wise they're identical, reliability they're identical, and the Spyder has the advantage of being smaller and lighter, it's hard to recommend something that isn't better in any measurable way, but is larger and weighs more for twice the price.

My question is, how's the durability of the Spyders? I haven't owned one, but I've heard that they don't have the durability of the Tippmanns. There's not much that could make a 98 Custom a "total loss" that can't be fixed. THAT is why I got a 98 Custom for myself and my 15yo son. We aren't "speedball" players, anyway.

[tlmiller]

Durability is identical on the 98C vs. Spyder. On an ORIGINAL M98 or prior, yes, the Tippmann has a Spyder beat. But once they started going with cheaper parts on the Tippmanns, they brought themselves down to the same level. The 98C/A5/X7 are all no more durable than a $70 Spyder mech for 2x-4x the cost.

[ironman08270]

Originally Posted by tlmiller

Durability is identical on the 98C vs. Spyder. On an ORIGINAL M98 or prior, yes, the Tippmann has a Spyder beat. But once they started going with cheaper parts on the Tippmanns, they brought themselves down to the same level. The 98C/A5/X7 are all no more durable than a $70 Spyder mech for 2x-4x the cost.

I understand that the NEWER 98Cs are not made with the same quality as the older ones. Ours are the older 98Cs, not the newer "Pro" or "Platinum" models with the ACT, picatinny rails, etc. I'm not bashing Spyders or trying to start an argument. As I said in an earlier post, I've never owned one. I'm just giving my opinion and repeating what I've been told by others.

[huckduck]

OLD spyders blew. anything past 2007 is generally decent

[Pro_paintball]

Any Mech spyder past 04 were generally decent
Electric spyders past 07/when they changed their electronics

[tlmiller]

Originally Posted by ironman08270

I understand that the NEWER 98Cs are not made with the same quality as the older ones. Ours are the older 98Cs, not the newer "Pro" or "Platinum" models with the ACT, picatinny rails, etc. I'm not bashing Spyders or trying to start an argument. As I said in an earlier post, I've never owned one. I'm just giving my opinion and repeating what I've been told by others.

It's not only the Pro and Platinum. Standard 98C were made cheaply on many of them. Other than looking at your internals, if you have a Model 98 or 98C, there is a very high likelihood that you have one of the newer, cheaper made unless you bought them in 2003 or earlier.

[kookookachoo]

kaos or fenix for a first marker?

[kookookachoo]

i meant blitz or fenix

[kookookachoo]

have about $300 ish to work with and im looking for the best possible setup

[tlmiller]

Do you want to be able to buy a nice barrel kit that will transfer to a later marker? If so, Blitz. Otherwise, save the couple $$ and go Fenix. They're more identical than they are different.

[Trbo323]

Originally Posted by ironman08270

I understand that the NEWER 98Cs are not made with the same quality as the older ones. Ours are the older 98Cs, not the newer "Pro" or "Platinum" models with the ACT, picatinny rails, etc. I'm not bashing Spyders or trying to start an argument. As I said in an earlier post, I've never owned one. I'm just giving my opinion and repeating what I've been told by others.

ya the stigma of "tippmanns are tanks" has held on even though in reality it is not true, granted they are not terrible by any means but cheaper metals and plastic power tubes mean more failures overall. and it is also true that spyder made a not so grand product but around 04-06 they really turned that around but like the tippmanns the stigma held on for a bit anyway, most people seem to be coming around to the idea that spyders are built better now a days. really even though the design and layout was not the best, i think the VS series is what did it for spyder, they managed to introduce a VERY cheap marker with just about everything a new player would want including an e-frame and eyes.

[Trbo323]

I just put this up on MCB, they are not happy that mags are not on it....

[tlmiller]

Why in the world WOULD mags be on it? They're only made in extremely small quantities, and still cost like $480 for a mechanical ULE RT. While they might be nice markers, they're not in any way a good value.