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Old September 28th, 2012, 09:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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thinking about getting the apex2 but I dint want it for al that curve left or right mumbo jumbo I just want it for straight accurate shots is this a good choice for me ?
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Old September 28th, 2012, 09:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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IMO, no.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 10:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If you want accuracy I'd say skip it. The Apex works by adding spin and when you get a ball that isn't 100% perfect the ball can fly in the most random directions possible.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You'd be better off with a bore matching barrel kit, although, don't expect 100% accuracy. You have to realize that you are shooting a sphere filled with an unbalanced liquid. The barrel may help, but your best bet for accuracy would be to buy nicer paint.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 12:36 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Is it just me or is good paint expensive..or are all of the other people on this forum rich haha?
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Old September 29th, 2012, 12:52 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Good paint can be expensive. You can find budget paint that flies quite well. It'll just usually have a fairly thin fill that wipes easily, a thicker shell that doesn't break easy, or both. For recball though, who cares? As long as it works.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 01:02 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah I usually don't care what it is that much because all there is where I live is recball pretty much and there are no speedball fields but it's w.e.
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Even for rec speedball I could care less. Unless I'm going to play a tourney, as long as it flies straight, I'm fairly happy with it. Once I get close enough it'll break...
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Old September 29th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I play recball and I still use good paint I'm just smart with the trigger and use 3 balls where other guys use 300. The amount of paint I see players using now is just insane. Oh your marker has ramping and full auto? Do you not know how to turn it off? I'm not even trying to be a pump playing snob I can still use a semi or electro and not blow through a case per day.
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I don't even play pump and I agree. I have a VERY hard time going through a case. I just don't use good paint because when I'm just there to have fun, it's simply not important enough to me that every ball breaks and leaves a good mark. If someone wipes, whatever. It's not about winning or losing, it's about having a good time. And I still will.

The last time I played, even with a game of Alamo (34 on 4, I was one of the 4), I still didn't manage to use but 1/2 case.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Wow, I generally go through a case a day, unless I'm playing pump, then I might got through 500... I guess I'm just trigger happy!
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Wow, I generally go through a case a day, unless I'm playing pump, then I might got through 500... I guess I'm just trigger happy!
Me too then. I can easily blow through 1-1.5 cases per day. I'm not a huge fan of getting eliminated...and usually insist on eliminating them before I get eliminated...sometimes this means shooting until I see the white mark(s)...and if that happens to be the case, and my fingers get going between 8 and 11 rounds, and the guy is 50 feet away...and the white mark happens after 4 initial pulls... he may want to side step immediately because there's still paint in the air....


This probably will only get worse for me too. We switched from DXS Silver to Valken Redemption Pro... all nice and golf-ball dimpled $75/case paint. But alas, all things considered...its still cheaper than CPX or most other local fields...and its nicer than the lower cost ones...
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I'd say that I shoot more because the fields I go to generally have 30-50 people playing at a time. I'll play 2-3 matches and dump a case... If I'm practicing, I might go through 3 or 4 cases though...
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Old October 1st, 2012, 09:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I dont tend to shoot much in a whole day i may shoot between 500-1500 i never shoot a entire case unless im playin tourneys then i still dont shoot much compared to my team mates
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Old November 8th, 2012, 11:59 AM   #15 (permalink)
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paint to barrel is essential in accuracy and good paint is round with no dimples and such. thats just basic knowledge. the apex system was designed to put a spin on the ball for getting behind bunkers or just dive down onto them or put a curve on the ball as crawdaddy stated. in my uses of the product it didnt do any of the curves or loops or such. the only barrel i saw that did anything than what a good stock barrel did was the flatline that does increase range but so will elevating your barrel for a long shot. just gimics and advertizing for what something should do and what it actually does is a toss up. good consistent paint can be expensive at times then you have to take the other varibles into consideration like will the balls swell in heat or shrink in cold, so much crap to worry about can drive ya insane. this is why i wish they made more indoor places where you dont have to worry about that for accuracy thats where we come to accuracy by volume aka spraying and praying instead of those well aimed shots that matter. whenever i play i use a half case to a full case depends on my mood and if i just wanna mess around or not, maybe some target shooting and letting kids at my field shoot a cocker for the first time in their lives.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 02:22 PM   #16 (permalink)
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paint to barrel is essential in accuracy and good paint is round with no dimples and such. thats just basic knowledge.
A straight and smooth barrel will shoot paint just as accurately as any straight and smooth barrel - whether it be bored, a kit, or just the .690 stock barrel found on the front of most mid-ranged markers out there. The two things a kit provides are a built-in detent for closed bolt markers, and better shot-to-shot consistency. A quick google search will drag up stuff Punkworks and other independent groups have done for shot-to-shot accuracy/efficiency/consistency/spread/etc. and the results were somewhat surprising. Buying good, fresh paint is the #1 way to increase your paint accuracy. The barrel contributes very little to the accuracy of the marker.


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the only barrel i saw that did anything than what a good stock barrel did was the flatline that does increase range but so will elevating your barrel for a long shot.
The concept behind the flatline is to provide backspin to the ball as it exits the barrel in order to provide a flatter trajectory and increase the range in which a ball can fly. This has been proven - (don't quote me here) - to increase the range by about 30 feet. The apex operates and functions the same way, it just has adjustable amounts of spin to provide different results. The issue is - while the reliable range is extended - the FPS fall-off that happens within that range will more often than not result in a bounce. Truth be told, if I'm over 75 feet away, I'll fearlessly walk into a paint stream knowing the odds favor that paint will bounce off my jersey, pants, or pads.



Keep playing that cocker - Its important for the little guys and newcomers to know where this all started from.
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