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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up Starting Speedball is this a good gun to start with?

So i'm getting in to speedball i have played it before but i rent my gear now i have decided to get my own gear, now i'm still new to the sport so i thought getting this Azodin Blitz gun package would be a good start. Do you guys think so? If not link me a good and affordable starting package. Thanks!

Link: Azodin Blitz 2011 Paintball Gun Kit 3
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Old November 12th, 2012, 03:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Dont get a package deal the accesories are not even worth wat they try to sell them at
Whats your price range so we can make you a package thats actually worth what your paying
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Old November 12th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Good general idea...


Please don't take this personally - but off to a bad start so far.

Read through here



Done? Awesome.. Now... continuing..
"Throw together packages" are absolute crap. You get piece of junk gear that you're going to be replacing rapidly at that low low $250 price tag. So.. lets look into what is what:

1) Safety
Pretty much the only REQUIRED (not recommended) piece of safety equipment necessary is a well-fitting mask. If you fog up you can't see. If it doesn't fit well, it doesn't seal. Most any other part of your body you get shot, the item will bruise and repair or fix or grow back. Your eyes and ears don't have that luxury. You NEED to put money into a nice thermal mask - both for safety, and so you can have the best time possible on the field.

2)Reliability
Good call with the Azodin or Spyder Fenix. They're low maintenance, easy to repair markers that should take you all the way to your next marker without too many issues. They're pretty much identical though the Blitz's advantage is with its longer and autococker threaded barrel. The Fenix is cheaper, but already comes with a braided ASA hose, so CO2 is safe to use through the marker. Its pretty much a coin flip. Most stock barrels are sufficient...so pick based on color and if you're going to use CO2 ever.

3)Functionality
Your tank. A 48/30 is 48 cubic inches at 3000 psi. If a 68/45 is able to shoot almost a case off of a STBB (spyder or spyder clone), and an 68/30 would have half the usable volume of air...reducing the tank size to a 48/30 is probably 1-2 pods and a hopper. This goes to my mantra of "only buy things once". If you can afford it - buy your 68/45 tank. If you can't, you may be best off saving a bit more, renting for a bit, and getting this tank. Buying a 48/30...and then a 68/45 is going to raise your tank total cost to $200... and in some areas.. that's a case of paint.

Your loader - Same thing - Don't buy dumb ****, and have to buy good **** later. I'm not familiar with the Revi CAT, but if its anything like the Revi 9 or Revi12...its an agitator. Those work great if your marker is up and level and shooting around 6-10 bps. Your best bet is getting a nice force-feed loader with consistent ball stack pressure (read it again, giggle, and then take it at face value). SPending $50 now...to spend $80-180 later...doesn't make sense.

Pods are $2/ea for ANS generics.
I buy those swabs for $2.50/ea
And a jerk is going to run you $2


So - to start...

Fenix Blitz - $150
68/45 - $100 used/ $150 new
Halo Too/Spyder Fasta/Pinokio - 70/65/99
Mask - look at anything listed in Trbo's guide - $65-100
Harness - Empire had ones for $25-30 that weren't horrible


Don't look into pads, jerseys, pants, or any of the other frilly addons until you get this far.

So - less pods, swabs, and add-ons
$465 to get started. Yes, its higher than the $250 for the package - but you won't be spending money to replace gear within weeks of buying brand new stuff.
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The revy CAT is one of those always on agitating loaders and one of the few (maybe only) power loaders to feed slower and jam more often than a gravity loader.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old November 12th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Good general idea...


Please don't take this personally - but off to a bad start so far.

Read through here



Done? Awesome.. Now... continuing..
"Throw together packages" are absolute crap. You get piece of junk gear that you're going to be replacing rapidly at that low low $250 price tag. So.. lets look into what is what:

1) Safety
Pretty much the only REQUIRED (not recommended) piece of safety equipment necessary is a well-fitting mask. If you fog up you can't see. If it doesn't fit well, it doesn't seal. Most any other part of your body you get shot, the item will bruise and repair or fix or grow back. Your eyes and ears don't have that luxury. You NEED to put money into a nice thermal mask - both for safety, and so you can have the best time possible on the field.

2)Reliability
Good call with the Azodin or Spyder Fenix. They're low maintenance, easy to repair markers that should take you all the way to your next marker without too many issues. They're pretty much identical though the Blitz's advantage is with its longer and autococker threaded barrel. The Fenix is cheaper, but already comes with a braided ASA hose, so CO2 is safe to use through the marker. Its pretty much a coin flip. Most stock barrels are sufficient...so pick based on color and if you're going to use CO2 ever.

3)Functionality
Your tank. A 48/30 is 48 cubic inches at 3000 psi. If a 68/45 is able to shoot almost a case off of a STBB (spyder or spyder clone), and an 68/30 would have half the usable volume of air...reducing the tank size to a 48/30 is probably 1-2 pods and a hopper. This goes to my mantra of "only buy things once". If you can afford it - buy your 68/45 tank. If you can't, you may be best off saving a bit more, renting for a bit, and getting this tank. Buying a 48/30...and then a 68/45 is going to raise your tank total cost to $200... and in some areas.. that's a case of paint.

Your loader - Same thing - Don't buy dumb ****, and have to buy good **** later. I'm not familiar with the Revi CAT, but if its anything like the Revi 9 or Revi12...its an agitator. Those work great if your marker is up and level and shooting around 6-10 bps. Your best bet is getting a nice force-feed loader with consistent ball stack pressure (read it again, giggle, and then take it at face value). SPending $50 now...to spend $80-180 later...doesn't make sense.

Pods are $2/ea for ANS generics.
I buy those swabs for $2.50/ea
And a jerk is going to run you $2


So - to start...

Fenix Blitz - $150
68/45 - $100 used/ $150 new
Halo Too/Spyder Fasta/Pinokio - 70/65/99
Mask - look at anything listed in Trbo's guide - $65-100
Harness - Empire had ones for $25-30 that weren't horrible

So - less pods, swabs, and add-ons
$465 to get started. Yes, its higher than the $250 for the package - but you won't be spending money to replace gear within weeks of buying brand new stuff.

Don't bother looking at pants/gear bags/jerseys/upgrades/barrels/cleats/accessories/and the fun stuff that every paintballer wants to buy but really has no reason to....until you at least get this far.
Alright so i went on Amazon and found a Azodin Blitz package with the Halo loader, better HPA tank and a couple other things for 270
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Now that sounds like a pretty good package. I still honestly would prefer a CO2 tank over what is 90% likely a 68/3000 steelie tank, but at least it includes a good marker, good hopper, and servicable tank. Good mask?
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Mask is extremely important i own alot of masks and tend to wear every one at some point
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Now that sounds like a pretty good package. I still honestly would prefer a CO2 tank over what is 90% likely a 68/3000 steelie tank, but at least it includes a good marker, good hopper, and servicable tank. Good mask?
Mask is so, so but it's no matter as i'm just going to be buying a better quality one. After i order the package.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #12 (permalink)
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so why bother ordering the package? just build your own

marker - $150
invert halo too - $70

$220 minus the mask so thats $50 to throw at a mask of your choice and end up at the same price as the package with a much better mask

otherwise you are at $270 + $50-$70 for a good mask

i agree with miller, if the tank is not a 4500psi tank, forget it, stick with CO2 until you can get a 4500psi tank

if you are going with CO2 though, be sure to read the safety note i placed under the blitz in the guide
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Lots of choices but I agree with what the other guys said about getting good a good hopper and mask.

I was in similar shoes and I ended up getting a good hopper, good mask and a refurbished Spyder VS1 for $45. It did ok and now I upgraded to an Etek 3 and I am set with my hopper and Mask. And I can use the VS1 as my backup now.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 09:20 PM   #14 (permalink)
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See thats first hand experience i started with a tippmann pro carbine with a nice hopper for the time and a crap mask when i upgraded i had to buy a new mask and could of used a new hopper but i didnt "need" one
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