[Purithian]

Ended up getting a pm6 for 160 with a bunch of upgrades. Is there any way to change pm6 eyes to wired eyes though?

[Trbo323]

Id pass, minis are finiky and were designed fairly .....i dont want to say poorly but "backwards" is probably a better word. if you are new to the sport focus on the mask first, find yourself a nice thermal lens mask that fits your face well. minis are not that great if you are starting because they do things so differently that they can often be hard to diagnose what an issue is. hpa is great but a 48/3k tank is very small. read the link in my sig, there is is a lot of good info in there just for players like yourself.

in the same price range though,

spyder fenix or azodin blitz = 150
invert avatar mask = 70
invert halo too hopper = 70
20 oz co2 = 25

or if you can push it just go straight to a 4500psi HPA tank, great starting setup and all new

[Purithian]

Ahh so your saying i shouldn't get one of the higher end guns? Btw i have a i4, i use it for airsoft so I think I have a decent mask?

[Trbo323]

yes, great mask.

if you are starting out its typically not a great idea to start with a mid or high end marker. that said im not going to stop you if you have your heart set on that but what tends to happen is someone gets a mid or high end marker, it works fine for a while and then eventually they run into an issue or issues and have no idea what to do and/or working on it themselves they break something, parts on a mid range or high end are much more expensive (and sometimes hard to come by) than an entry level marker

so, that aside i still suggest the fenix or blitz, both are great markers to start with and get your feet wet with maintenance and mechanics of paintball and both will make a great backup marker down the road when you move on to something else.

if you are insistent on the mid range markers i would take a look at the aura, proton (same marker really just a different look) and the proto rail.

[snowboarder599]

Or you could look at an FEP Quest. They are fantastic markers for the price. You should be able to find them for right around the same price as the used markers that trbo mentioned (aura, proton and rail), and IMO is a much better performing marker.

[ShortBus]

I would go with the Mini or an Axe myself...they really aren't that hard to work on...and I know absolutely nothing about paintball guns.

[Trbo323]

the problems with the mini/axe is, well there are lots of them but a few of the major ones, 1) custom sized o-rings, typically can not be found at a field or most shops as they must be purchased through empire. 2) non-servicable regulator, have issues with the reg? too bad, your day of play is over, send it to empire to get fixed. 3) because of the way they designed it when you run into issues they sometimes can give you very strange signs of what is going on because the marker is unlike just about everything else out there

overall not one of my favorite designs, I owned one and sold it for many of these reasons and if you are new to paintball a bad idea, if you insist on getting a mid range marker there are better options out there

[martix_agent]

empire axe oring kit
invert mini oring kit

wow, those were REALLY hard to find.

[Trbo323]

now go to a field, break an o-ring and see exactly how fast you can get one of those

i never said they were hard to find in general, but most fields and shops do not stock those rings as they are only used on 2 markers in the whole industry.

yes, carrying extra rings is a good idea, but stuff happens, you forget your kit at home or just run out without realizing it and you are up a creek

[martix_agent]

you can do that any most fields, and chances are, they won't have what you need unless you've got a tippman, or whatever they use for rentals.

[Purithian]

Wow thanks for all the info guys, Well my friend actually just offered me for 400 a 2011 proto reflex rail, and a dye roto hopper. Should I buy it? The marker is almost new too since he wants the 2k13 model.. I'll stay away from the invert. Also I don't think working on the gun will be a problem as same for maintenance because I do it with my airsoft guns and I also build computers and fix iPhones and electronics for a living. I don't think it would be TOO hard to learn how to clean a paintball marker though right? Thanks for all the info guys you are helping me out a ton!

Oh and the reason I would prefer a higher end gun is because I know I do like paintball, but when I started airsoft I got the advice to buy a cheaper gun ($150-$200) range and after I got it, I didn't like it. I had a very hard time re-selling it also. Thanks for the help guys!

[huckduck]

400? thats a bit high. drop it bout 70 bucks

[Purithian]

Originally Posted by huckduck

400? thats a bit high. drop it bout 70 bucks

So i should try and lower the price? But would it still be a good buy? It also has the ultralight trigger assembly and proto grip

[dprimmy]

UL trigger and proto grip are stock accessories for a Reflex.

New - a Reflex goes for 500/550 depending on color scheme. Largely - this is inflated because the only benefits you receive for a Reflex over a stock Rail are:

*better Solenoid
*more appealing body styling
*longer, Dye threaded barrel
....and I can't think of anything else.

Both have eyes (maybe eye pipe? but that thing gives me nothing but trouble as is.)Both support current tourney modes, and I believe both have the UL frame and support the Reach and Ironman triggers.

Ultimately - if looks are important to you, The Reflex is a nice marker...but if they're not - and you're running your own barrel kit...The standard Rail should do you dandy.

Price difference?
Rail: 250 new
Reflex 1 year old -New: 450
Reflex 1 year old - Used per PBN B/S/T - $315-400 depending on colors and damage.
Reflex current new: 500/550

Rotor - used 100
Rotor - new 150-180 dependent on colors.


As far as package value goes - 350-400 is a solid amount - though it may be above market value....

and you could do a new Rail with a used Rotor..for the same price...with (largely) aesthetic differences.

Just one thing to make note of - If you end up with a Rail of any sort...make sure to put a 68/45 on the back side of it. With my 50 attached, the back cap ends up scratching my lens

[Purithian]

Originally Posted by dprimmy

UL trigger and proto grip are stock accessories for a Reflex.

New - a Reflex goes for 500/550 depending on color scheme. Largely - this is inflated because the only benefits you receive for a Reflex over a stock Rail are:

*better Solenoid
*more appealing body styling
*longer, Dye threaded barrel
....and I can't think of anything else.

Both have eyes (maybe eye pipe? but that thing gives me nothing but trouble as is.)Both support current tourney modes, and I believe both have the UL frame and support the Reach and Ironman triggers.

Ultimately - if looks are important to you, The Reflex is a nice marker...but if they're not - and you're running your own barrel kit...The standard Rail should do you dandy.

Price difference?
Rail: 250 new
Reflex 1 year old: 450
Reflex current: 500/550

Rotor - used 100
Rotor - new 150-180 dependent on colors.


As far as package value goes - 350-400 is a solid amount - though it may be above market value....

and you could do a new Rail with a used Rotor..for the same price...with (largely) aesthetic differences.

Just one thing to make note of - If you end up with a Rail of any sort...make sure to put a 68/45 on the back side of it. With my 50 attached, the back cap ends up scratching my lens

Wow thanks for all that info man! That means a ton to me and yeah I've heard the best tank to get is a 68/4500 so Thats what I was thinking of getting. I'm not too picky on looks as long as it works and will last me time then I'm happy haha. Got really sick using tippmans and ect since I was always out gunned or I chopped the balls a ton because I was shooting too fast for the hopper or something (idk?).

[Purithian]

Edit, I found a rotor on craigslist for 115 and a ninja tank for 125 should I buy these or try and haggle with my friend or find a new gun in general?

This is also another gun i found: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...543048620.html

[dprimmy]

Originally Posted by Purithian

Wow thanks for all that info man! That means a ton to me and yeah I've heard the best tank to get is a 68/4500 so Thats what I was thinking of getting. I'm not too picky on looks as long as it works and will last me time then I'm happy haha. Got really sick using tippmans and ect since I was always out gunned or I chopped the balls a ton because I was shooting too fast for the hopper or something (idk?).

Updates made to my prior post...be sure to check.

Also - The tank size is going to be dependent on the player vs. mask player uses. vs. player's build vs. player's preference.


I'm a tall and bigger guy - but I have baby t-rex arms - and I find that my 50/45 is more stable and gets me tighter to my ETEK3 without feeling cramped.

Putting the 50/45 on the back of my Reflex Rail gets me way too close to the back of my marker - scratching my lens on the back cap.

Putting anything smaller than a 68/45 on the back of my 2k2 Impulse w/ a 1x.5 dropforward, bottomline maxflo and inline on/off make the marker too compacted and tall.


Its all relative to your body preferences vs. your body geometry vs. the tank-to-gun sizing, ASA positioning, and where you feel comfortable holding the marker for long periods of time.

[Purithian]

Originally Posted by dprimmy

Updates made to my prior post...be sure to check.

Also - The tank size is going to be dependent on the player vs. mask player uses. vs. player's build vs. player's preference.


I'm a tall and bigger guy - but I have baby t-rex arms - and I find that my 50/45 is more stable and gets me tighter to my ETEK3 without feeling cramped.

Putting the 50/45 on the back of my Reflex Rail gets me way too close to the back of my marker - scratching my lens on the back cap.

Putting anything smaller than a 68/45 on the back of my 2k2 Impulse w/ a 1x.5 dropforward, bottomline maxflo and inline on/off make the marker too compacted and tall.


Its all relative to your body preferences vs. your body geometry vs. the tank-to-gun sizing, ASA positioning, and where you feel comfortable holding the marker for long periods of time.

Thanks, And I have a dye i4 mask that I use for airsoft. I'm 5'8" so i think the 68/4500 should be right for me?

[dprimmy]

Originally Posted by Purithian

Thanks, And I have a dye i4 mask that I use for airsoft. I'm 5'8" so i think the 68/4500 should be right for me?

On which marker?

A Reflex/Rail? 68/45.

On an Etek or other Timmy-shaped poppet - either a 50 or a 68 dependent on preference.

My i4 sits a lot closer to my face than my eFlex... but - its allllll about the level of comfort. Ideally - you should be able to be on both feet, with your ass off your heels by about 3 inches, marker up, hanging out your bunker to either side..for 3 straight minutes without fatigue. If you can do that with your tank properly positioned on your arm without duck/chicken winging it... then the tank will work for ya.

[Purithian]

Originally Posted by dprimmy

On which marker?

A Reflex/Rail? 68/45.

On an Etek or other Timmy-shaped poppet - either a 50 or a 68 dependent on preference.

My i4 sits a lot closer to my face than my eFlex... but - its allllll about the level of comfort. Ideally - you should be able to be on both feet, with your ass off your heels by about 3 inches, marker up, hanging out your bunker to either side..for 3 straight minutes without fatigue. If you can do that with your tank properly positioned on your arm without duck/chicken winging it... then the tank will work for ya.

Well right now i have two people wanting to sell me a 2k11 reflex rail, a 2k12 reflex rail, a invert mini with dye rotor and hpa tank, a mac dev droid, and a 2011 dye pmr. If you could check that link see if its worth it let me know please thats my friends gun he wants to sell me