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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Newbie with Proto Rail

As of this moment, I have a Proto Rail, a mask, clothing, and a box of paintballs.

I have about ~$230 left to get me started with the rest of my equipment.

I'm pretty set on the Halo Too hopper, but was wondering what else I should look into. I'm still undecided on tanks as well.

Any help is much appreciated
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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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halo too is solid.

look for a 68/4500 tank and you're set... depending on what mask you have
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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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halo too is a solid hopper.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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thanks for the replies.
There seems to be a halo too + 68 tank combo for $200USD on Amazon. Anything else I should look into?
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Amazon.com: Invert Halo TOO Loader and 68ci HPA Tank Combo: Sports & Outdoors

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Looks like one of those crappy Chinese regulators.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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A local is selling a used Prophet V2 hopper (not z2) for about 70USD. Would this be a better choice than the Halo too?
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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a prophecy v2, and if it is in good working order, i would say the price is a little high but otherwise a good hopper

what mask do you have?

here is the tank i recommend

Ninja Grey Ghost Carbon Fiber Air Tank w/ Adjustable Regulator - 68/4500
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in the long run a good v2 will be a better choice than a halo

edit: i read that as z2 for some reason. a v2 and a too are about par
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v2 still a bit better. Easier to take apart, holds more, has the reverse button. Too only advantage is a slightly tougher shell.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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thanks for the feedback guys.

Here's the update: Picked up the Prophecy V2 and I4 mask, and here's what I'm looking at:

Dye Rail 2011 (not reflex) - I can get a new one for $200 but if there is a better used gun for $200, I'd consider
Dye Throttle Tank - I can get a new one for $140, but if the Ninja reg is worth the extra $10, I'd certainly go for that

Are there any upgrades I should consider for the Rail? I'm looking at a CP 14" barrel at .693 (I live in SoCAL)

Again, thanks!

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IMO, the Ninja is worth the extra $10. YMMV. I still have too many markers and like being able to adjust my tanks from LP to MP to HP (~450 psi to ~650 psi to ~850 psi) to fit my different markers (although MP works with 90% of what I have).

I'd personally look to see if you could pick up a Valken Proton for that price. They might not have been out long enough though for you to find one very easily/if at all yet though for that. Excepting that, I'd say the PR is a great choice.

For add-ons (I hesitate to actually call them upgrades), I'd get an on/off for convenience (I'm a huge convenience fan), a nicer clamping feedneck for convenience, a Critical trigger (I LOVE the feel of the critical trigger in the Dye UL frames). I'd actually avoid getting a single barrel. The barrel that comes with it is just a single piece UL with a proto badge instead of a Dye badge. The CP is no better, and even larger bore. Either get a used barrel kit, or stick with the stock. You should be getting the same paint as me (Phoenix) in your area, and it's been running .678-.684 for the last year. VERY rare to find anything beyond wal-mart paint above a .684 bore in quite some time.
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mLuH just posted a used ninja tank, unless your looking to buy new
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Old February 12th, 2013, 03:36 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Update 2:
Dye I4 Mask
Proto Rail 2011 Marker
Prophecy V2 Loader
Ninja Ghost 68 Tank

I think I'll hold off on upgrades until I get to try the Rail stock, but I'm curious @tlmiller, why advise against a single barrel or an overbore? Mike phillips on youtube recommended an overbored single barrel for 14" barrels.
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Mike has lots of opinions but he isn't the only player to ever set foot on a field so his views shouldn't necessarily be taken as gospel. The benefit of an overbore is that it lets you shoot brittle paint with fewer chances of breaking a ball in the barrel if you think of trying to stuff an egg into a garden hose you can get the picture. The downside is that it hurts air efficiency and if there is a big difference between the paint and bore size it will impact your accuracy a bit now that doesn't much matter if you are playing nothing but tourney ball and just want to launch as much paint as possible down the field but most players like to get as many shots per fill as possible and try to make their shots count. There are still a few diehards that like to underbore but the majority of players like to match their barrel to their paint with a snug fit. All tlmiller is saying is that if you don't buy a barrel kit of some kind you would be further ahead sticking with your stock barrel that is still going to be an overbore 99% of the time now rather than buying the CP barrel which is so large a bore as to be nearly useless and with the shrinking paint trend .693 has been on the large side for a long long time now.
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^^EXactly. The Proto 1-piece is a .688 bore, still will be overbore for almost anything you're going to get ahold of nowadays.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 01:18 PM   #18 (permalink)
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As far as rail upgrades go -

I don't think there really are any.

I've considered a TechT L7 bolt, but with the ~$80 price tag..I chose to invest the money elsewhere...Snow's new TV fund. The other option is the Billy Wing - which preaches lower LPR pressures and less bolt-stick problems due to a highly polished and anodized surface. As good as this sounds - my 2012 reflex has an anti-bolt stick setting that auto-increases dwell on the first shot... and the Rail/Reflex series...don't have LPR's. $100 for a smoother shot? That's 1/2 the price of a Quest.

Barrel -I believe the 2011 series Rails (non-reflex) are 1 piece 11" barrels. Swapping to a 14" wouldn't be the worst of ideas if you prefer something longer - and the Rail is cocker threaded - so the barrel won't completely go to waste.

Triggers - I was going to go for a Critical instead of the Dye Ironman... but price drove me to the Ironman. I prefer it over the stock (switch?) trigger.. but worth the $24? eeeh....I'm not exactly sold on it.

Board? You have semi. You have adjustable cap PSP ramp. Is there really more to be needed that justifies the cost?

Barrel Edit - As far as bore size goes, Draxxus paint was boring at .684/.687 in Chicago with all our weather fluctuations. The crappy Valken Echo I've shot recently is boring below .680. Getting something overly large compared to the paint is just going to give you reduced efficiency. I'd say a .684/.688 would be the largest I'd intentionally purchase.

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Thanks for all the great responses! I think I'll hold off on upgrades for now, hone my skills as a player, and see what issues I may come across in the field.

But for sure, down the line, I think I'll upgrade the feed neck and get myself an on/off asa. If anyone has recommendations for either, I'm all ears.

As for barrel, a buddy of mine has a G4 that comes stock with a 14" barrel. Because it's also autococker threaded, maybe I can borrow his barrel and see how I like the additional 2 inches.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 02:44 PM   #20 (permalink)
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If you want to get an extra pod or two out of the 68/45 you can tape-mod the bolt. It somewhat reduces the volume of air held in the dump chamber - and only costs about 7 wraps worth of electrical tape.

If you're interested - I'll link in a picture of where/how I did mine. Its all pretty self explanatory.
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