[Johnny_Fred]

also if hit near the bottom of the mask it COULD possible knock the mask off

[NYY]

i saw an impy that shoots when you both pull the trigger and release, so he was doing like 20 bps, but chopping like mad

[titocampos1990]

it had no eyes and a slow hopper

[Paceley200099]

Originally Posted by Warpstoner

Cheater boards do exactly what tmaxx said, they allow players to cheat. Most cheater boards have ramping. Once you hit a certain bps the gun will jump up 5-6 more bps or more.

Most are set at or around 10-12, this will cause a jump up to 15-18bps.

Most of them also ramp the dwell, which will increase your velocity. So you will be shooting 15-18bps at 350fps. When really your just pulling the trigger fast enough for 10bps.

The thing about cheater boards is, that when the gun is just shooting a few shots or is just being chrono'd it's gonna be fine because you have to hit that bps barrier before it takes off.

Maybe that made sense, its early in the morning for me so bare with me.

Hey no one listen to this idiot.

First off the reason that they make the guns ramp is because of drop off, when your shooting fast the gun drops down fps everytime you shoot, even with a full battery and full air. So usually at your 7th shot it's at almost 200 fps, so they bump it up 100 fps so then it still shots 300 fps as usual.

Second off, I know more about these ramping boards than anyone here, my teammate wrote the new nxl legal chip, and let me tell you. It's the fastest thing ever, you have to keep it above 12 bps and it shoots as fast as the hopper will feed full auto.

[Johnny_Fred]

so on your first shot are you shooting 400 fps? or is it just when your shooting 200 fps? tha they bump it up 100

[HP_lovecraft]

Lots of factory boards also come with cheater modes.
The most common is an "adjustable debounce". The ONLY reason for this is to cheat.
The saddest thing is that some aftermarket boards PROMOTE the fact that they can be used to cheat!!!

Plus, beyond ramping, buffering is also a popular cheat mode. (Buffers are used to hide bouncing, so its hard to detect). Also popular are hyper, turbo, autorip and response modes.

Pretty sad. I don't see a real solution while the paint companies sponsor tournaments.
We really only have 3 choices:
1- Ban all electros
2- Ban force-feeds (or even agitators) reducing the advantage of electros
3- Limit paint per-game to 200-300 rounds (or "per team" limits)

With #2 and #3, you could allow any mode you want, since USING those modes would be pointless. I've played local tournaments using these types of rules, and it makes the game MUCH more exciting... and much harder, since it gives you another element of the game. (especially #3).

But.. such is life.

nick

[titocampos1990]

1-whats ''debounce
2-whats ramping
3-whats bounce

[themainevent]

Originally Posted by NYY

i saw an impy that shoots when you both pull the trigger and release, so he was doing like 20 bps, but chopping like mad

i saw something once about looping one of the switch wires like twice or something like that into another wire will give this affect.

[paintballjunk12]

Soo uhh . . . where can i get one of these cheater boards?

[themainevent]

www.wickedairsportz.com

[HP_lovecraft]

Originally Posted by titocampos1990

1-whats ''debounce
2-whats ramping
3-whats bounce

"Debounce" is a special electronics filter. All electronic switches have a problem where they will read 2-3 "false pulls" for every "real pull".
The "debounce" filter removes the fake pulls, so the gun only fires 1 SHOT for every 1 PULL.
Some newer guns allow you to adjust the "Debounce filter" so that you can ALLOW those "false" pulls to be counted as "real" pulls.

This is illegal, but HARD to detect. This is sometimes called "Turbo" and was even on the FIRST ELECTRO!! (ie Shocker).
To make it hard to detect, some boards will fire 3 shots for every 2 pulls.
TO make it even harder to detect, some boards will store the extra-shots un a "buffer", to make sure it doesnt outrun the hopper, or sound suspecious.

Ramping was covered above. Its often called "auto-rip" or hyper. Basically, if you fire over 10fps (or whatever), the gun might jump to turbo, burst or full/auto at 15fps or 20fps! It also might jump in FPS from 290fps, to 320-350fps!
These modes only kick-in above certain BPS rates.... for the ONLY reason to make it hard to detect.

For bounce, there is 2 different kinds.
1- Switch bounce. This is for electros, and is adjusted through the debounce filter.
2- mechanical bounce. This is for mech AND electro guns. This is where the trigger pull is so light, that the RECOIL of the gun itself is enough to fire it again, and even go full/auto. Some guns are designed to do this on purpose (ie RT mags and tippmanns), but this can happen on any gun if the trigger is light enough. (even REAL guns). Also hard to detect since it takes some practive with the trigger in order to get it to work.

So, whats the point? Who cares if people cheat?
Well, 2 problems:
1- Paintball is a game of skill, but thats moot if one team has a technical advantage.
2- Paintball is "borderline safe". THis means that paintball is safe, but can easily become very UNSAFE as cheat modes become more popular.
A popular example is the pro player "LASOYA". He uses cheat boards, and last year knocked some kid UNCONCIOUS when he shot someone in the head 15 times.

Cheating ONLY harms paintball.

Nick

[pbextremer]

Why don't they just make it so your marker has to go through 'customs' at a tournament to prove you don't have a cheater board?

[braka]

Originally Posted by pbextremer

Why don't they just make it so your marker has to go through 'customs' at a tournament to prove you don't have a cheater board?

yah cheater boards are analagous to doping in the olympic scene.. they need better testing and worse penalties for players caught using illegal boards

better testing should include: the current 5 tests, and firing at 5, 10, 15, and 20 bps while monitoring bps and fps to ensure they corrospond. the easiest way to do this would be to create an automated unit to do the tests.

[NYY]

Originally Posted by pbextremer

Why don't they just make it so your marker has to go through 'customs' at a tournament to prove you don't have a cheater board?

they do that at pro level but people are always thinking of new ways to get around the tests

[HP_lovecraft]

Originally Posted by pbextremer

Why don't they just make it so your marker has to go through 'customs' at a tournament to prove you don't have a cheater board?

How would they know? How would that work?

Only allow factory boards? Some of those factory boards have cheat modes as well. Plus, companies like WAS would just make cheater boards that look like factory boards.

The current method is to have a ROBOT fire the gun to try and detect ramps and bouncing. Its not a bad system, but the robot is expensive, and only utilized at high-end tournaments. It might not be feasible at the local level where cheating is widespread.

nick

[NYY]

yea and i think it was bob long that bought one of the robots just so he can find a way around them

[pbextremer]

why don't they just make cheater boards illegal o make? and use?

[NYY]

you cant tell a business to not make something unless it breaks US laws

and it is illegal to use, but very difficult to detect

[Paceley200099]

Nick, your a very intelligent person and we have entirely different views about this whole thing.

I am for the way guns are right now and having NXL have ramping chips, since NXL is supposed to be crazy, but if you start to see this in local tourneys it'll be terrible.

[Johnny_Fred]

more bps is still cheating, but it's not THAT bad, increasing the velocity is just DANGEROUS