[braka]

more thorough testing would be a start.. a good ref will be able to see bounce or ramping as soon as they fire the gun at a fast rate

the larger problem is the flexiblity of digital systems. you can have a gun that has passed testing, but hold down the trigger for 10 seconds and turbo and velocity ramping are enabled, hold down the trigger for 1 second and they are disabled.

i think there is going to have to be some sort of equipment restriction if they want to eliminate cheating. if a gun has digital logic solely for the purpose of circumventing tests, it should be banned.

[HP_lovecraft]

Originally Posted by Paceley200099

Nick, your a very intelligent person and we have entirely different views about this whole thing.

I understand people feel differently.

I started playing back when most people used BOLT ACTIONS. We all though PUMPS would ruin paintball because everyone would be firing so fast!!
Same for 7oz tanks, and 45rnd hoppers. We KNEW it would ruin paintball.

Well... it didn't. We are still all playing paintball, so my doom-and-gloom predictions of the death of paintball are probobly just "hot air'.

I understand the desire to have the "latest technology". I jumped on the 7oz "bandwagon" as soon as it came out. I HATED changing 12grams, but my friends thought I was a nut. Heck, it wasnt even allowed at tournaments at the time.....

I'm not sure how cheater boards make paintball "more crazy" or exciting. IMHO, it makes the game boring, because it SEVERLY limits how you play the game. Yes, more people are "SHOOTING", but there is FAR LESS movment, tactics, or any action in general.
Thats the main reason why I support the 200-rnd LIMIT format. Yes, it sounds AWEFUL for hosebeasts (including myself), but it makes you TOTALLY rethink how you play the game, making for interesting tactics and game plans.

-Nick

[Paceley200099]

No, it's not.

As I said before when you start shooting fast there is drop off. They make it so it still shoots 300 fps while shooting 20 bps.

[TheConMan41]

did anyone hear about Bob Long buying a Tourney Robot so that he can build a cheater board to be undectable to it?

[pbextremer]

Yeah he did, but someone said the velocity would go over 300 fps

[themainevent]

Originally Posted by TheConMan41

did anyone hear about Bob Long buying a Tourney Robot so that he can build a cheater board to be undectable to it?

Originally Posted by NYY

yea and i think it was bob long that bought one of the robots just so he can find a way around them

[DaBluedevil]

I agree with willie on this topic. Let them push the boundaries. The NXL was made to be nuts.

The way it makes it nuts is the amount of paint in the air that both teams can put out.

[Johnny_Fred]

yeah, it's ok about amounts of paint, but i read someone saying about the velocity being over 300, it's ok about the paint, but higher velocity is just unsafe...

[dirtrider54]

Yeah its just dangerous, waste of paint just like fully auto

[bob005]

im going to side with nick on this. it does take away from the game. wiping is wrong too, but at least it takes SOME skill to wipe and not get caught. but any 10 year old can shoot a timmy 10 bps to make it ramp to 15, so there's really no skill to it, and that takes away from real skill, like moving.

[Paceley200099]

BTW Nick that post was not directed to you.

And you have great points, but I grew up with paintball being like this and I love it like this. It would be very hard for me to adjust to not shooting a lot of paint.

[Tedrzz]

I really really really doubt when they ramp the FPS it only makes it ramp to like 300fps. When they start firing really fast their guns sound like cannons! I find it hard to believe that their guns are only firing 300fps. Also when they fire fast, the bunkers they are shooting at get pushed in more and more, so the ramping in FPS is definatly not just to keep the paintballs at a constant 300 FPS.

P.S. If they are getting shoot-down maybe they could just take the BPS ramping chips out of their guns and use legal chips. They won't get shootdown at 13BPS.

[HP_lovecraft]

Originally Posted by Paceley200099

As I said before when you start shooting fast there is drop off. They make it so it still shoots 300 fps while shooting 20 bps.

Yes, this is the theory, but the problem is it makes it VERY HARD TO CHRONO.

Maybe your gun does have a bad drop-off, and you need ramping to correct that. How do we know its being done safely?
If you fixed your drop-off problem, can you still use your ramp mode?

For some guns like newer mags, and older tippmanns, they were DESIGNED for the FPS to rise slightly when firing. This was just part of the design, and you have to chrono properly. That said, there was controvercy with both.
What if the ref was unaware of the special chrono rules? Eventually, special rules were made for both.

With custom boards, the ramping becomes a chrono refs nightmare, because you have an unlimited variety of "special rules" and no easy way to test them.

And this brings up the main issue.
There is no easy, and cheap way to detect cheater boards (ramping, turbo, etc). Nobody really is interested in my wacky ideas of banning electros, or limited paint.... so... lets stop kidding ourselves and just allow any modes the player wants??
Is that want people really want?

Nick

[ChaosTheory]

i think boards where the fps increases when the bps do is a good idea as long as it has been programmed to NEVER go above 300fps. so if there shooting 20bps and 200fps it should raise up to 300fps as long as it doesnt go over it.

[Warpstoner]

It dosen't work that way though.

[ChaosTheory]

i know but it would be good if it did and i dont know y that would be considered illegal in tourneys.

[paintballxxx23]

we should all use pumps or only single trigger semis, that would elemnate most or the chearer board worry.

[Johnny_Fred]

ya, but does everyone WANT to use pumps, i would be happy doing that, but no one else would

[ChaosTheory]

i would never trade an electric marker for a pump. few people would

[Warpstoner]

Not even your imagine?