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pbextremer · July 26th, 11:39 PM

I wouldn't trade an electric makrer for a pump, unless it was a really good pump and a really bad electric marker, but face it, were not going to start HAVING to use pumps and mech's in tourneys, until someone gets seriously injured or even KILLED by something involving cheating like a cheater board or something, this isn't going to stop

Spyder_Pimper#1 · July 26th, 11:46 PM

is there such thing as a choas board how many bps and how much if there is one because i want to put on imp or bko thanks

**ChaosTheory** · July 27th, 12:18 AM

whoops i forgot to change that ill do it now

**Javaman** · July 27th, 08:57 AM

I think the worst part about cheater boards is that they are being used by people for non-tourny playing. Small events and regular walk-on days are much less likely to have the manpower and especially the technology (robot tester) to prevent cheater boards from being used. Tourny players expect to be shot to hell but it's quite wrong to do the same to new players. I'm with Nick on this one. The rules should be changed to limit the carry on paint amount, get rid of electros, or outlaw force feed hoppers. I have definately experienced that shooting less paint = more fun. (When everyone does it)

titocampos1990 · July 27th, 10:27 AM

but cheater boards dont give THAT much of advantage. wiping is a bigger problem

**Javaman** · July 27th, 01:50 PM

It has really gotten to the point where personal greed for faster BPS is turning potential new players away from the sport. The problem is people feel the right to shoot as fast as they want which, although it seems fair in theory, affects other people possibly taking the fun away for them if they get lit up. It's no wonder that many newbies are terrified to leave the first bunker they come across. I don't expect many of you to agree with this but oh well.

I would gladly give up the use of my Imagine (and only use it in private games) if public fields outlawed electros in order to make the game more fun for everyone.

**ChaosTheory** · July 27th, 01:53 PM

electros are here to stay and wont be going anywhere and im tired of people posting stupid ass stuff like ban electros and ban agitated hoppers. its just stupid, if u dont like it dont play i could care less if the other team were using cheater boards. whoopde doo.

**HP_lovecraft** · July 27th, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

its just stupid, if u dont like it dont play i could care less if the other team were using cheater boards. whoopde doo.

You missed the point. It doesnt matter that YOU don't care.
But the INSURANCE COMPANIES CARE. They are watching pro paintball very closely, and THEY are the ones that have the restrictions on special modes.
Keep in mind, full/autos came out in -1986-, and have never been legal at most fields that HAVE INSURANCE.

If it was up to the paint sponsors, they would allow anything. Money talks.

THE INSURANCE COMPANIES have the power to restrict any aspect of paintball. If there is a serious accident, they might do something drastic.
SO, are you willing to take the chance that allowing special modes might KILL electros all together?

Just something to keep in mind when you post that "you don't care", yet cared enough to write a reply complaining about it.

Nick

**Javaman** · July 27th, 05:29 PM

To make things even more confusing, the line between full auto and an electronic semi with a microswitch is really becoming blurry. In reality what is the difference between a gun that shoots 13BPS full auto and a microswitch that lets you hit +15 in semi mode? You have to work harder with a semi but it does te same thing.

***NYY*** · July 27th, 05:56 PM

banning force feed hoppers is, imo the best way to solve this problem

**braka** · July 27th, 06:43 PM

just kill people with cheater boards.. slowly. that'll teach em.

paintballjunk12 · July 27th, 06:47 PM

I think it would be nice to have one just playing rec ball

**ChaosTheory** · July 27th, 10:11 PM

well i know a way to get rid of a lot of the cheater boards, ban all boards made by bob long. and get rid of full auto semi only is how it should be

**Warpstoner** · July 27th, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

well i know a way to get rid of a lot of the cheater boards, ban all boards made by bob long. and get rid of full auto semi only is how it should be

You don't have to worry about people using full auto. How would you check for boards?

**pAiNtInYoUrFaCe** · July 27th, 11:12 PM

I dont think banning force feeds would be the best idea though either. What would those companies do? Halo B's are $110 at the lowest. I dont think they would do it because they would lose alot of money. Although it could have been the same situation when the ban was in effect years ago, but I havent been playing long enough for that... or I just didnt know about it. I think they should just have more harsh penalties if you are caught with a cheater board or... idk, but cheaters suck. Period.

Edit: Banning electros would be horrible for everyone. So many people, including myself, spend alot of money on their electro and to just not be allowed to use it would outrage people. It would also kill the paintball industry... although SP is already helping with that

. Hopefully the cheater boards start to die out, but if electros are ever banned I dont know what I would do.

**bob005** · July 27th, 11:41 PM

yeah, banning forcefeeds couldn't be the easiest thing to do, i just say that at every tourney, every gun is checked, like at customs in an airport. and all the gear is checked as well. and for the kids with cheater boards in rech play, well...black list for the fields if caught. i hate those kinds of kids.

**pAiNtInYoUrFaCe** · July 27th, 11:45 PM

I mean it is cool how they work and everything and I admit it would be pretty cool to use, but for what it could cost us (being force feeds, electros, bps limit, whatever) its definately not worth it

**ChaosTheory** · July 28th, 12:12 AM

i didnt mean ban full auto from tourneys, noones stupid enought ot use it, the bots would notice it automatically. i mean ban full auto altogether not just at tourneys. the boards should be made so they can be checked so each of them have something that is unique to every company who makes it. and all cheater boards would be noticed. and if bob long or any other boards that tried to copy other companies so they would not be noticed as cheater boards would be automatically banned from that tourney and pro tourneys for like a month or longer. somthing really harsh to stop people from using them. maybe some type of coding or whatever that would be unique to every company. and to check the coding or whatever the gun should be able to be plugged into some type of bot that would check it to make sure everything is legit. along with testing every gun at many differant speeds for differant lengths of time. it still wouldnt be fool proof but it would be much harder to get past bots.

**bob005** · July 28th, 12:30 AM

i know what you're talking about, but banning full autos wont do anything. besides, kingman would rather die than stop putting full auto into their chips. 1/2 the noobs are like OOOOOOOOO fu11 4ut0 im 1337!

it'd never work. ever. to many lawsuits.

**Javaman** · July 28th, 12:41 AM

Yep. It really brings us back to square one. The Manufacturers are giving people what they want which are faster guns so that they can keep up with everyone else. It's almost like a military arms race.

Makers have a nice cycle going now with better improvements coming out regularly that people just "need" to have but soon there won't be much room for improvements. I'm glad that stock class is becoming more popular. It seems to be growing almost as fast as highend marker's BPS speeds are.