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JoshElectra · October 7th, 06:24 PM

whaat is it? Does my gun have it?(spyder electra)

**theunforgiven** · October 7th, 06:25 PM

...what?!

JoshElectra · October 7th, 06:26 PM

Thank you, that reply helped me so much. Medic you need to give him a rep point for that one.

**dfdtrumpet** · October 7th, 06:28 PM

i think hes wondering what your talking about, so if you could please put it in context or give a little more info it would make it easier for people to help you

JoshElectra · October 7th, 06:32 PM

Ok. What is bounce?

rory096 · October 7th, 06:33 PM

He's talking about bounce like on a high-end gun.

No, Spyder Electras do not have bounce. Bounce is only on high-end electro guns, as when you pull the trigger, there are naturally hundreds of electric pulses to the board. Because of this, debounce was created. Debounce is necessary for any gun with bounce, as otherwise, it would attempt to shoot way too much. If your gun does not have debounce, you don't have bounce.

JoshElectra · October 7th, 06:35 PM

ok my gun doesnt have bounce and high end electro guns do. Debounce stops bounce. You still didnt explain what bounce is though. Sorry for the confusion, lol.

**predator14** · October 7th, 06:36 PM

paintball slang

edit- whoops i thought he meant bouncer.

rory096 · October 7th, 06:37 PM

See the part about hundreds of electronic pulses to the board? That's what bounce is. Because of these pulses, the gun would try to fire that many times, without debounce. Debounce also comes in different degrees. You can set it on debounce 1 and up. On debounce 1, which is what tourney players use to cheat, the debounce is on the lowest setting, so there will still be some bounce. On higher debounce settings, there will be less and less bounce.

JoshElectra · October 7th, 06:39 PM

no im talkin about the bounce rory was tryin to explain to me.

**Minty** · October 7th, 06:39 PM

hes talking about this. http://www.bud2928.com/My%20shocker%20bounce.wmv its a video of it i hope you under stand after this

JoshElectra · October 7th, 06:40 PM

ooooooh ok i get it, its kinda like ramping except not intentional.

rory096 · October 7th, 06:41 PM

Yes, though, because of Debounce, it usually IS intentional, because players are supposed to use debounce.

JoshElectra · October 7th, 06:42 PM

ok thanks

rory096 · October 7th, 06:44 PM

No problem

**Minty** · October 7th, 06:46 PM

Hear this is some other guy bounceing at 40 cycles per second http://mywebpages.comcast.net/c77bronco/40cps.wmv

**Huey69** · October 7th, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rory096

See the part about hundreds of electronic pulses to the board? That's what bounce is. Because of these pulses, the gun would try to fire that many times, without debounce. Debounce also comes in different degrees. You can set it on debounce 1 and up. On debounce 1, which is what tourney players use to cheat, the debounce is on the lowest setting, so there will still be some bounce. On higher debounce settings, there will be less and less bounce.

You can actually set it below 1. For instance, my friend has debounce .25.

**predator14** · October 7th, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Minty

Hear this is some other guy bounceing at 40 cycles per second http://mywebpages.comcast.net/c77bronco/40cps.wmv

damn.......... i would play against that gun....

**MP11** · October 7th, 07:18 PM

The quote below can be found in the sticky labeled All New Player Info Can Be Found Here in this section.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sNoW PIrAnHa

bounce (1)- When a paintball hits you and fails to break
bounce (2)- A flaw on electropneumatic guns that makes it shoot more than actually pulled on the trigger

Basically their are two types of bounce, one is where the ball hits you but it does not break, meaning you are still in the game. The other type of bounce refers to when it shoots more times than you pull the trigger, this is different then ramping however. Ramping is when you shoot X amount of BPS it fires Y amount of times.

-Mike

**HP_lovecraft** · October 7th, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rory096

No, Spyder Electras do not have bounce. Bounce is only on high-end electro guns, as when you pull the trigger, there are naturally hundreds of electric pulses to the board. Because of this, debounce was created. Debounce is necessary for any gun with bounce, as otherwise, it would attempt to shoot way too much. If your gun does not have debounce, you don't have bounce.

Wrong on pretty much everything.

First, there is TWO DIFFERENT kinds of bounce.
1- SWITCH bouncing, which is what you are referring to, and can happen ON ALL ELECTROS.
2- RECOIL bouncing, which happens when the gun has enough recoil to move the gun enough to "bounce" the trigger off our finger. ANY GUN CAN DO THIS. Even firearms!
3- A subset of RECOIL bouncing, is "Reactive Triggers". The purpose is to force a RECOIL bounce by pneumatically pushing the trigger FORWARD after every shot. ANY GUN can have this kind of trigger, but is only useful on mechs.

DEBOUNCE is just a method to fix a common electronics flaw. As you noted, when you pull the trigger, you are actually sending 3-4 "fire" signals, and the electronics need to filter out the "false" signal, and only allow the "real" one.
The most common method is to just assume the FIRST signal is real, and ignore any other signal for 1-10 microseconds.
ALL MODERN electronic paintball guns have a DEBOUNCE. THe main exception is early electros like Shockers, which as a result had a massive, and illegal bounce problem.

This brings in the current controversy: Some newer guns can adjust, or even turn off the DEBOUNCE filter. Effectively allowing the gun to fire MORE shots then were actually pulled by the trigger.

nick