Originally Posted by President George Washington

The period for a new election of a citizen to administer the Executive Government of the United States being not far distant, and the time actually arrived when your thoughts must be employed in designating the person who is to be clothed with that important trust, it appears to me proper, especially as it may conduce to a more distinct expression of the public voice, that I should now apprise you of the resolution I have formed to decline being considered among the number of those out of whom a choice is to be made....

The impressions with which I first undertook the arduous trust were explained on the proper occasion. In the discharge of this trust I will only say that I have, with good intentions, contributed toward the organization and administration of the Government the best exertions of which a very fallible judgment was capable. Not unconscious in the outset of the inferiority of my qualifications, experience in my own eyes, perhaps still more in the eyes of others, has strengthened the motives to diffidence of myself; and every day the increasing weight of years admonishes me more and more that the shade of retirement is as necessary to me as it will be welcome. Satisfied that if any circumstances have given peculiar value to my services they were temporary, I have the consolation to believe that, while choice and prudence invite me to quit the political scene, patriotism does not forbid it....

Here, perhaps, I ought to stop. But a solicitude for your welfare which can not end with my life, and the apprehension of danger natural to that solicitude, urge me on an occasion like the present to offer to your solemn contemplation and to recommend to your frequent review some sentiments which are the result of much reflection, of no inconsiderable observation, and which appear to me all important to permanency of your felicity as a people.... Interwoven as is the love of liberty with every ligament of your hearts, no recommendation of mine is necessary to fortify or confirm the attachment.

The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad, of your safety, of your prosperity, of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that from different causes and from different quarters much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth, as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion that it can in any event be abandoned, and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.

For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens by birth or choice of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together. The independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint councils and joint efforts, of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.

But these considerations, however powerfully they address themselves to your sensibility, are greatly outweighed by those which apply more immediately to your interest. Here every portion of our country finds the most commanding motives for carefully guarding and preserving the union of the whole.

The North, in an unrestrained intercourse with the South, protected by the equal laws of a common government, finds in the productions of the latter great additional resources of maritime and commercial enterprise and precious materials of manufacturing industry. The South, in the same intercourse, benefiting by the same agency of the North, sees its agriculture grow and its commerce expand. Turning partly into its own channels the seamen of the North, it finds its particular navigation invigorated; and while it contributes in different ways to nourish and increase the general mass of the national navigation, it looks forward to the protection of a maritime strength to which itself is unequally adapted. The East, in a like intercourse with the West, already finds, and in the progressive improvement of interior communications by land and water will more and more find, a valuable vent for the commodities which it brings from abroad or manufactures at home. The West derives from the East supplies requisite to its growth and comfort, and what is perhaps of still greater consequence, it must of necessity owe the secure enjoyment of indispensable outlets for its own productions to the weight, influence, and the future maritime strength of the Atlantic side of the Union, directed by an indissoluble community of interest as one nation. Any other tenure by which the West can hold this essential advantage, whether derived from its own separate strength or from an apostate and unnatural connection with any foreign power, must be intrinsically precarious.

While, then, every part of our country thus feels an immediate and particular interest in union, all the parts combined cannot fail to find in the united mass of means and efforts greater strength, greater resource, proportionably greater security from external danger, a less frequent interruption of their peace by foreign nations, and what is of inestimable value, they must derive from union an exemption from those broils and wars between themselves which so frequently afflict neighboring countries not tied together by the same governments, which their own rivalships alone would be sufficient to produce, but which opposite foreign alliances, attachments, and intrigues would stimulate and embitter. Hence, likewise, they will avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty. In this sense it is that your union ought to be considered as a main prop of your liberty, and that the love of the one ought to endear to you the preservation of the other....

Is there a doubt whether a common government can embrace so large a sphere? Let experience solve it. To listen to mere speculation in such a case were criminal. It is well worth a fair and full experiment. With such powerful and obvious motives to union affecting all parts of our country, while experience shall not have demonstrated its impracticability, there will always be reason to distrust the patriotism of those who in any quarter may endeavor to weaken its bands.

In contemplating the causes which may disturb our union it occurs as matter of serious concern that any ground should have been furnished for characterizing parties by geographical discriminations--Northern and Southern, Atlantic and Western -- whence designing men may endeavor to excite a belief that there is a real difference of local interests and views. One of the expedients of party to acquire influence within particular districts is to misrepresent the opinions and aims of other districts. You can not shield yourselves too much against the jealousies and heartburnings which spring from these misrepresentations; they tend to render alien to each other those who ought to be bound together by fraternal affection....

Originally Posted by Quoth the South Carolina, Nevermore.

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because
Uh some people out there in our nation don’t have maps and I
Believe that our education like such as South Africa and uh,
The Iraq everywhere like such as and I believe that they should
OUR EDUCATION OVER HERE! in the U.S. should help the US, err
should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian
Countries so we will be able to build up our future for our children.

Originally Posted by Alpha

In 1945, we dropped two atomic bombs on two cities.

Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people died.

In this case, I will say that it was the lesser of two evils, but it is an evil thing regardless.

Speaking of murder, do you know about the Bay of Pigs invasion? We trained cuban exiles and sent them to overthrow Castro in '61. We were supposed to bomb the Cuban Air Force and provide air support.

If you know anything about military tactics, you do not send troops into battle against hostile air forces without air superiority- its a slaughter. Its murder. And yes, most of the cubans we trained were executed.

Do you know anything about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident? It is what got us started in Vietnam. To this day there is no concrete evidence that proves a Navy ship was actually attacked.

Do you know anything about the My Lai Massacre?

Do you know anything about how America turned down boatloads of Jewish refugees from europe during WW2? We sent them back- to the death camps.

Do you know anything about Desert Storm Syndrome? I'm pretty sure the Government still denies its existance.

America has done some REALLY ****ed up things man. It goes back- way ****ing back.

Native Americans

Texas

Poncho Villa

America has no record clean of murder. In fact, America was founded on blood, and seems to be fueled on it.

What got us out of the depression? The biggest war we've ever seen! I bet the gov't was ****ing ecstatic when they heard about WW2.

Originally Posted by NYY

I don't know where or when you went wrong Alpha...

Originally Posted by ComradeMolyneux

I think it was when he met andrew =\ ...

Originally Posted by Alpha

I first became aware of it, Comrade, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I-I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Comrade. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Comrade...but I do deny them my essence.

Originally Posted by Lord Headley

Or if you would like, i can show up in a clan outfit and run around your store screaming white power and put walmart logo's all over me. It's just a thought, could be fun.

- Brian

Originally Posted by zpyro

this guy knows what hes talkin about

Originally Posted by Head Lordly

This was not the lesser of two evils. It was well documented that the Japanese WANTED to surrender, but the US wanted to make a statement to Russia to prove that they were not going to take over the world without a fight during the post WWII era. Japan was cut off, they had nothing left but a ground force without a navy and without any real air force. Invasion wasn’t a must, and neither was dropping those two bombs which are still affecting Japan today. IMO, US made a bad choice there.

I was always taught and read that if the US had not dropped the bombs (killing several hundred thousand people- check the number for me), over 1 million Americans alone would have died in the invasion of Japan. I was also taught that Truman, the little ****, wanted to drop them to scare the ruskies. To be fair, the Japanese would have fought to the last person to defend their homeland. They were taught that Americans raped and ate Asians(but I know your into that kinda thing )

The Bay of Pigs was just one of many operations this country has carried out in the past, the difference being they underestimated Castro, and the people of Cuba. They WANTED him to be in power, they didn’t want to overthrow him. The ones he sent in there were the hot heads that were against him, but the majority of the people loved him. We did provide air support, but only for a short while. Kennedy refused to launch any more planes because he realized that the rest of the world knew what was going on, and he knew they would not stand for a US interference in a Communist nation, that did not want democracy.

You can not win a ground battle against a country that has an air force if you do not have air supereority. This is a basic military strategy that had been known well for decades.

There was a US navy ship attacked, but what they do not tell you is that we had ships ran by South Vietnamese troops bombarding the Vietnamese coast line for some time in covert operations. So who really provoked who first?

I've only heard this from one source ( and pardon me if I can't cite it properly), but there were two bullet holes from a small caliber machinegun in the hull. No sailor heard explosions or even gunfire for that matter. America provoked Vietnam. We stuck our collective dinks in a fire ant hill. No contest m8.

They had orders till kill everything, they killed everything, and they got in trouble for it. That’s our ****ed up military for you. There were 4 villages total that were suspected of hiding the Vietcong 48th that attack the US on the Tet Offensive

The reason why I used all these examples from history is because someone said its wrong to murder innocent people. All of these examples are basically slaughters that the US committed.

Think about that, America was just getting back on it’s feet again, trying to regain it’s economy. All of the sudden, here come all these homeless, poor, refugees that are going to need jobs, clothing, food, and shelter. Now how are we suppose to do all of that when we barely had enough jobs to cover our immediate population? You also need to remember the times back then, there was a nazi movement in America during WWII, which was very popular. We didn’t like the jew either, but we weren’t going to kill them.

Also we had our own camps for unwanted people. The Japanese Americans in WWII were kept in US made concentration camps and treated as sub humans. The difference is we didn’t gas them and burn the bodies.

Was turning the boats back equivalent to sending them to their deaths?

Lets not forget that the world condems Hitler for killing 6 million people, but we happen to forget Stalin who killed 20-22million people in his life time.

Please, the world condemns Hitler for a lot of things, but I think he was a genius. A crazy mother****er, but look at all the science that came out of Nazi Germany. Did you know the first real studies on tobacco and cancer were done by nazi scientists? Hitler hated tobacco. What about their sick and twisted euthanasia program? What about the United States' euthanasia program?


Anytime there is a war, there are solders that come out screwed over in the head.

Desert Storm Syndrome is a physical ailment. Birth defects, strange disorders, the symptoms are endless. Its theorized to be a product of depleted uranium rounds fired by anti-armor weaponry.

When it comes down to it, every nation in this world is corrupt, the question shouldn’t be who’s the worst, but rather who’s actually got the balls to stand up to it?

Originally Posted by zpyro

this guy knows what hes talkin about