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Lord Headley · September 12th, 09:23 AM

You are indeed sir, wrong, lol.

As for Tony, I’m not taking shots at nothing, I’m just pointing out how this country lies to do what it wants, when it wants. They didn’t have to drop those bombs, but they did however want to show the world you do not mess with the USA. It worked a long time, so it did have some long lasting benefits for us, but look at what happened to Japan. Not worth it IMO.

9/11 was another example of how this country ignored the facts to get what it wanted. We knew the attacks were coming, we knew we could have stopped them from happening, but what did we do? Nothing at all, we wanted a war to fuel our economy, and make rich corporations even richer because of the kick backs. If you think for a minute that we had no idea, and that the government actually cared about any of those people, you’re dead wrong. This country played all of us, and now it’s sitting back filthy rich, while how many thousands of lives were lost between two wars and a terrorist attack.

There is no more God Bless America, this is the United States Of Halliburton, where freedom is nothing more than an illusion, and our military and civilian population is put at risk to make an extra buck.

- Brian

**meatwadttm** · September 12th, 11:44 AM

why didn't u use have u forgotten as the theme song?

***NYY*** · September 12th, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Your russian, ask a Russian relative what they were taught about WW2.

My Russian and Jewish relatives learned a lot from WWII. For instance, they learned that we can't allow brutal, oppressive, racist dictators kill innocent people and get away with it. You know...people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam...

Why did 9/11 happen? Because Osama, the Taliban, and the entire radical wing of Islam is absolutely intolerant of any other culture but their own. They had a problem with us being in Saudi Arabia (their "holy land") even though we had every right to be there. They had a problem with our morals (drinking, smoking, having premarital sex, etc). They want to IMPOSE their beliefs on other people. And anyone that resists, they believe, should die. People tell us not to blame Islam, that it's a peaceful religion. But the heart of this problem lies in Islam. People are misinterpreting it, and getting away with it. And the Muslim leaders of the world are too afraid to speak up against the radicals.

Did we screw up in a lot of ways? Yeah...we had about a million chances to get Bin Laden, dead or alive. There were a lot of instances when we could have killed them but the people up top of the ladder were too afraid of collateral damage to pull the trigger. Other times we just simply let him do whatever he wanted to. We knew there was an Osama connection to the WTC bombing, we knew he was behind the African Embassy bombings, we knew he was responsible for the hotel bombings, we knew he was responsible for the USS Cole attack.

But to point the finger at one side and say it's their fault would be absolutely ridiculous.

God bless America. If you can't see any good in our country then leave. Yes, you have every right to complain, I know. But honestly, you people keep repeating that the government is evil, that the government is ****ing us over, that the government is out to get us. We get it, you have serious mental issues stemming from some traumatic childhood experience that causes you to feel paranoid all the time. If you don't like what's on the channel, you change the channel, if you don't like what's on the menu, you eat somewhere else, if you don't like a car, you buy another one. If you don't like this country, move to Cuba or something. Surely they don't have any problems.

**XtremeAaron** · September 12th, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by meatwadttm

why didn't u use have u forgotten as the theme song?

Oh, I made that video a few months ago for a school project, tribute to the troops, not 9/11.

**ComradeMolyneux** · September 12th, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinjiro

It's been almost 2000 years and we still remember the death of Jesus.

Just for you, Comrade.

-Jin

Better watch the **** out jin.

=D

**TonyD** · September 12th, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Headley

As for Tony, I’m not taking shots at nothing, I’m just pointing out how this country lies to do what it wants, when it wants. They didn’t have to drop those bombs, but they did however want to show the world you do not mess with the USA. It worked a long time, so it did have some long lasting benefits for us, but look at what happened to Japan. Not worth it IMO.

I said that because for some reason I thought you were trying prove Alpha wrong, and that didn't make sense, because what you were saying was basically an extension of what he said. Maybe I read something wrong.

As for the rest, I agree.

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There is no more God Bless America, this is the United States Of Halliburton, where freedom is nothing more than an illusion, and our military and civilian population is put at risk to make an extra buck.

- Brian

Bad. Ass.

**sNoW PIrAnHa** · September 13th, 02:04 AM

I was thinking about this earlier today. Why did we invade Iraq? We were attacked by Saudi Arabian terrorists who resided in Afghanistan. We sent troops into Afghanistan and then a lot into Iraq. Why Iraq? There's almost no connection between them. Iraq had oil though, it was supposed to be a quick operation, go in, fix some ****, get them a little infrastructure. Get rid of Saddam, and get enough oil to end our dependence from Saudi Arabia. That way we could actually go after the terrorists. Unfortunately we were spread too thin and Iraq was a mess, and they still had the weapons we gave them from back in the Iran-Iraq war, we didn't get it done fast enough. So now we're trying to finish up but its basically impossible without breaking Iraq into different parts and letting the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds take their piece.

Maybe I'm wrong though. So far its been a waste of money. I'm not going to lie though, we have done a lot of good things to that country, but we've also done a lot of bad.

Brian, you seemed to imply that the government is rich. Its not, we have a 9 trillion dollar budget deficit to deal with.

Don't listen to me, I'm just thinking into the keyboard.

***Wes Himself*** · September 13th, 03:11 AM

i love tonys avvy it means so much to me.

**TonyD** · September 13th, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sNoW PIrAnHa

Brian, you seemed to imply that the government is rich. Its not, we have a 9 trillion dollar budget deficit to deal with.

That doesn't matter when you control the money supply of the most economically powerful country in the world; you just print more.

***MedicDVG*** · September 13th, 08:58 AM

Man I wish I was free to comment on the war. However, I am unable to do so as I am under the US Army chain of command and prohibited on speaking out.

Suffice it to say I would not be here if I didn't believe that the mission is worth it and that we were not making progress. The USA is so fast food fix it now, 30 minute sit com bred attitude, we fail to see the long term. We are talking a process that may not be finished by the current generation of Iraqis. 3 years is a drop in the bucket.

I have typed and deleted so much... but I will say this...

In terms of September 11th, I honor those that died as despite who did it and for what reasons, good people died. I have spent my life in the emergency services and when 343 of your fellow firefighters die, it hurts. Just as it did in Charleston recently, and in Croatia where 15 fire fighters died.

I don't honor 9/11 as a military operation, or becuase it was the start of where we are now, but for the simple human tradgedy of what it was. One of the largest loss of life recorded in American history. I don't care what brush you paint the attack with, it was a horrible human tragedy.

You can not argue that 9/11 didn't effect the very fabric from which American life is woven.

You can not argue that the ripples of that attack were not felt around the world.

You can not argue that the wound that was opened by 9/11 festers and continues to blight the psyche of America and the rest of the world.

"Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it."

Lord Headley · September 13th, 09:19 AM

Dave, did I say OUR government was rich, no. I said the people IN our government are getting rich. Our country does not benefit in away way by going to war in the modern time. We were not threatened at all, we did not have to go over there. The only reason we did was for resources and money. Oil and Poppy Seeds are worth billions in the long run. How is the easiest way to get that resource, cheap, from a hostile leader?

Answer, take the leader out of power, purge the government that is left standing in his place, and put in a puppet government to give the illusion of being self governed, when really you’re governed by the USA. This war was not about freedom, not in the least, it was about money.

9/11 was a terrible thing, very terrible, and we let it happen. Now the men and women of this country are the ones paying for it. Do you think I like the idea of people I know going over there and risking their life for nothing more than a plant or a sludge that’s main product is hurtful to the environment and health of everyone? Hell no! If I had the option, the money, I would move out of this country, because it’s headed for a big time disaster. We’re pissing too many people off, and we’re going to get bit for it. You have two superpowers joining forces right now in Asia (Russia & China) and they’re starting to get serious. They’ve made allies with India and Iran and a few other countries. Now I expect the usual ignorant red neck answer from some of you, which is “We’re the USA, we’ll just nuke them!” You take a long good hard minute to think about what that would do to the rest of the world if that were to happen. There is nothing just about this war, there is nothing to be fighting for. Sure there are some people over there that are happy we are there, but how long will that happiness last? How many more people do we have to lose before we realize that this is a war that we will be fighting for years to come, and there is no end?

Dean’s last comment is right, if you do not remember history and pay attention to it, you will repeat it. America is repeating it now. Some of the people want us there, the majority do not. Everyone in the region isn’t happy that we’re around. There are no battle lines, anyone could be an enemy. This is the new Vietnam, and it will go on, and on, and on. I hope the guys over there make it out ok and unharmed, because this war is going to get worse before it gets better.

- Brian

**ComradeMolyneux** · September 13th, 08:36 PM

Where's Jin at, I want to know what he thinks about my last post.

**sNoW PIrAnHa** · September 13th, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Headley

Dave, did I say OUR government was rich, no. I said the people IN our government are getting rich. Our country does not benefit in away way by going to war in the modern time. We were not threatened at all, we did not have to go over there. The only reason we did was for resources and money. Oil and Poppy Seeds are worth billions in the long run. How is the easiest way to get that resource, cheap, from a hostile leader?

Answer, take the leader out of power, purge the government that is left standing in his place, and put in a puppet government to give the illusion of being self governed, when really you’re governed by the USA. This war was not about freedom, not in the least, it was about money.

I completely agree.

Good things are happening in Iraq but thats not why the government is there. We want oil, and we haven't got it. We're not chasing terrorists. Relief efforts would work much better than soldiers to placate the Iraqi turmoil, it would probably be cheaper too. Precision and stealth weapons are getting expensive.

I don't think we need their opium though. Opium poppies are actually legal to grow in California, you just can't purchase them or try and get that syrup out.

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