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***DarkTamer*** · October 1st, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by burningcow422

dude you can get mentally addicted to anything.

it's smokable, it gets you high, and it's available, so why not. i hate people who throw away roaches and don't scrape. but that's my problem. lol.

This is one of the many things that bother me on the topic of marijuana. The concept of addiction. Now a day, I personally think in large part due to the media, our definition of an addiction has been generalized to any sort of daily habit that we might get into, be it coffee, internet, gambling, etc.

While I do think there are such things as "mental addictions", and they can be rather severe, in my opinion they should not be defined as an addiction. Instead, I would call such a behavior a compulsive habit.

Such behaviors can never compare to a real addiction (thank God), which to me is defined by physical dependence. For those of you who have ever had the bad fortune of becoming dependent on a substance, perhaps nicotene, zoloft, ritalin, etc. you'll know the physical affects of withdrawal really, really suck. Not only does one become irritable and depressed like might happen with some extremely severe cases of aforementioned "compulsive habits", you also experience physical discomfort and from what I've heard (I don't know this for a fact), sometimes even pain.

I know "compulsive habit" doesn't exactly roll of the tongue quite as well as "addiction", but it really bugs how freely the word addiction is thrown around.

As for scraping resin; I have no problem with it or the people who do it, but I personally never do it. Not due to any moral qualms, I just can't stand how it tastes and how harsh it hits... When I'm in a pinch, I use whatever roaches and/or keef (keif? kif? Idk...) I've stored up.

Alpha · October 2nd, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by burningcow422

it's smokable, it gets you high, and it's available, so why not.

I'm right there with you though. Its Saturday night, I have no weed, a working copy of Battlefield 2 and a resonated pipe. I'm scraping resin.

**burningcow422** · October 2nd, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkTamer

This is one of the many things that bother me on the topic of marijuana. The concept of addiction. Now a day, I personally think in large part due to the media, our definition of an addiction has been generalized to any sort of daily habit that we might get into, be it coffee, internet, gambling, etc.

While I do think there are such things as "mental addictions", and they can be rather severe, in my opinion they should not be defined as an addiction. Instead, I would call such a behavior a compulsive habit.

I'm a recovering drug addict and physical dependence is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to an addiction.
Yeah you can classify it as compulsive behavior but that's an addiction..it IS a loose term for the most part.

***Barber*** · October 2nd, 04:28 PM

Hey, sometimes you have to scrape your bowl. There are always those Tuesday morning when you want to do nothing else but get high, skip a class or 2, come in late, and just chill in your computer class. The problem? You have no herb. That's when the ol' res bowl comes in.

**chromekilla** · October 5th, 11:05 PM

Amazing post by alpha at the start of the thread..

Hats off.

***DarkTamer*** · October 6th, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by burningcow422

I'm a recovering drug addict and physical dependence is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to an addiction.
Yeah you can classify it as compulsive behavior but that's an addiction..it IS a loose term for the most part.

I'm simplifying quite a bit, but in my mind all the effects are in three groups: Mental, physical, and social. Besides dependence, what other physical effects are there? Not an attack, I'm curious as to what you're referring to.

**burningcow422** · October 6th, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkTamer

While I do think there are such things as "mental addictions", and they can be rather severe, in my opinion they should not be defined as an addiction. Instead, I would call such a behavior a compulsive habit.

now that i read your post again i thought you were saying you don't believe in mental addictions. read your post wrong.

i classify an addiction as physical and mental. once the physical withdrawls are over, mentally it still bites you really hard for a LONG time.

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wait wait wait this addiction talk between us has nothign to do with weed. if you're thinking that i'm tryign to say weed is addictive. psychologically yeah but that's a different argument.

***DarkTamer*** · October 6th, 03:32 PM

I think you get what I'm trying to say, but if there's still any confusion: My point is that it frustrates me that all habits from coffee, video/computer games/internet, marijuana, nicotine, alcohol, heroin, cocaine, etc. are all thrown under the umbrella term of addiction. The dependence on these things vary so drastically, I think there needs to be some distinction. To say marijuana and heroin are both addictive, while that may be true depending on your definition of an addiction, is highly misleading.

Alpha · October 6th, 11:02 PM

Where do we draw the line though? If marijuana should be legalized, why not heroin? What CAN and CANT the government tell us we can put in our bodies?

Should it be everything from alcohol to heroin, or should some be legal and some not? Or should they all be illegal?

***DarkTamer*** · October 6th, 11:19 PM

I'm not sure. The idea of heroin and cocaine being legal makes me uneasy, but I can't think of a better solution. Everything legal with strict stipulations for certain substances is probably the best choice in my mind.

Alpha · October 7th, 01:36 AM

well if it was all legal, it would be controlled.

**ComradeMolyneux** · October 7th, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Alpha

well if it was all legal, it would be controlled.

Rephrase please. I don't like the logic.

**burningcow422** · October 7th, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Alpha

well if it was all legal, it would be controlled.

that'll be the day.

as somebody who knows exactly what pretty intense opiate withdrawals are like, if the government legalizes heroine i'm leaving this dump of a country.

yeah legalizing weed would be somewhat cool, but **** the other ****. the government is doing people favors who get arrested and who man up and stay clean.

talking about legalizing other things makes it seem like your talking out of your ass. get an addiction, then talk about legalizing harder ****.

all the "should this be legal?" "SHould this and this?"
it is what it is.

4 edits later lol.

***DarkTamer*** · October 8th, 12:23 AM

No doubt the effects of "hard" drugs can be devastating, I don't think anyone's arguing that. Nor do I think anyone here believes pre-filled tubes of coke should be available at your local drugstore (at least I hope).

We however don't believe the government should be telling us what we can and cannot put into bodies along with ruining our lives for it, particularly the Federal government. That's not what they're designed to do. The problem, like Alpha pointed out, arises on where we draw the line. When I mentioned the possibility of having everything legal, I meant with very heavy restrictions on certain substances like opiates, methamphetamine, etc. Of course that somewhat repeats the problem, as to who decides on which to restrict and to what degree...

Besides, I believe having a substance be illegal makes it far, far more easier for it get into the wrong hands. Last I checked, one of the statistics pro-legalization groups seem to like mentioning is that kids are reporting that it's now easier for them to obtain weed than it is alcohol. If legalized, it could then be regulated, and if done properly I believe the misuse/abuse of drugs would be cut down drastically. I'm guessing you disagree though.

**burningcow422** · October 8th, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkTamer

We however don't believe the government should be telling us what we can and cannot put into bodies along with ruining our lives for it, particularly the Federal government.

yeah i hear ya.

i was pissed off when i posted last.

but drawling that line would be a hell of a process. everybody has a different opinion about drugs. people who've never experienced anything and putting addicts on the bottom of the totem (though some deserve it) to people who know the truth.

just personally, keep everything as is.

**TonyD** · October 8th, 03:27 AM

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as somebody who knows exactly what pretty intense opiate withdrawals are like, if the government legalizes heroine i'm leaving this dump of a country.

Why? Because it will finally be letting the self-destructive self-destruct? I'm sorry, but **** all that talk about protecting the weak. Let the people who are going to do stupid things do stupid things.

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talking about legalizing other things makes it seem like your talking out of your ass. get an addiction, then talk about legalizing harder ****.

I know that I'm going to sound like a dick for saying this, but you chose to get addicted. Allow me to clarify...

You might not have chose to get addicted after you first started doing whatever drug it was, but you chose to begin doing it, and for that the blame lies solely with yourself. Legal or not, there will be huge numbers of people addicted to harmful chemicals. Legalizing drugs, however, would do just what I said above: Allow the self-destructive to self-destruct. Simultaneously, though, it increases freedom (including the freedom to **** up your own life).

Maybe some of you were too high when reading through earlier posts (I kid!), but go back and think about what I posted about immunity areas. It's pretty much the solution to the "Where do you draw the line?" problem.

But even more so, I think it comes down to allowing the local communities the most choice in decision on drug use and legal policies involving drugs.

**burningcow422** · October 8th, 11:00 AM

i agree with what you're saying besides the "let the self destructive self destruct" part. i believe in natural selection but some (i repeat: some) addicts are perfectly good people and after 1 (or 2) arrests and after 2 rounds of rehab you can easily get clean and stay clean and move on with their lives.

***DarkTamer*** · October 8th, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Maybe some of you were too high when reading through earlier posts (I kid!), but go back and think about what I posted about immunity areas. It's pretty much the solution to the "Where do you draw the line?" problem.

I don't think it would really solve that "where do you draw the line" problem though. It would instead change it, to what drugs should be restricted to these immunity zones, and what crimes should be allowed.

There's also the factor of who would decide on where these zones would be. From your post, it seemed like a possibility that these would be residential areas. It wouldn't be fair to someone who only has enough money to live in what already is a "ghetto" have the government come in and say, "Ok, this area is already pretty ****ty, let's make it ****tier."

Of course, there's also the pure logistics of this plan. No one would want these zones in their neighborhood, or near their neighborhood or even in their city/town at all. People would fight this plan tooth and nail. Keeping the crimes/people we wanted inside and those not allowed out would be very difficult.

The idea of immunity zones seems like the kind of solution a police state might consider to me. It's jut not fair, or even viable. The scenario presented in "If Drugs Were Legal" documentary, while not perfect in my eyes, seems like it's on the right track:
(part 1) YouTube - If Drugs Were Legal (Part 1/6)