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October 10th, 11:05 PM
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I don't think that legalizing most (or all) drugs is a good way to go.
I saw a kid on E the other day. He had the pacifier in his mouth and everything, he was running around hugging everybody and acting exactly like what I've seen from people on E. The only problem was that he was, like I said, a kid. Couldn't have been older than 12. This is a big problem in my eyes. People that young do not have the maturity to handle MDMA in their system responsibly.
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October 11th, 10:14 AM
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Good points, but it's important to remember I'm not suggesting any kind of immediate, "overnight" changes. It's not something I've thought about a ton because I don't think it's the most important thing for me to think about, so I obviously haven't ever thought of the logistics or the transition to something like this in depth. Rather, I think it is a pretty practical solution that could be pursued, even if it wouldn't materialized for decades or longer. Just like all long-lasting change, it doesn't occur in a day.
Deciding the areas would indeed be tough, but like I've said, it would be left up to the local communities. If they don't want drugs legal at all, that's totally plausible, and the federal government shouldn't be able to trump that and say "Nuh uh! That's the law!" Also, it's worth noting that ideally it wouldn't merely be a change of government, but something a lot larger... a mental and behavioral (r)evolution. But I think many areas are open to legalizing drug use and they would be able to figure it all out. I also don't think it's very practical to think that using pre-existing neighborhoods as "sacrifice" zones; for the most part these would be new areas, if plausible.
Just saying "no, this wouldn't work" or "no, people would fight it" is too simple. Like I said, worthwhile change takes time and effort. But you have to start with a solid idea and build upon it. If every good idea was shut down right away simply because some people didn't see every detail right off the bat, there would never be anything good happening.
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If new areas were to be used, that would mean they would be way out of the way, relatively far away from cities and towns as such areas do not have enough free space to do such a project. This wouldn't solve the problem, as cities and towns are where people buy drugs. It would be still be easier and probably cheaper for them to instead of finding a way of traveling to one of these immunity zones, to just find a drug dealer in their neighborhood.
You're quite right, something shouldn't be shot down simply because it will be difficult. The thing is, this plan seems to go against the other option of simply legalizing drugs but putting restrictions on certain ones, which I personally think is a better all around plan.
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I don't think that legalizing most (or all) drugs is a good way to go.
I saw a kid on E the other day. He had the pacifier in his mouth and everything, he was running around hugging everybody and acting exactly like what I've seen from people on E. The only problem was that he was, like I said, a kid. Couldn't have been older than 12. This is a big problem in my eyes. People that young do not have the maturity to handle MDMA in their system responsibly.
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This is exactly why drugs need to be legalized though. While illegal, they are uncontrolled. Drug dealers often do not care who their product reaches, they just want money. If legalized and regulated, it would be a lot harder for drugs to get into the hands of kids, particularly hard drugs which would be heavily regulated, most likely requiring a prescription and/or only given and allowed to be consumed in certain "clinics".
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October 11th, 07:37 PM
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If new areas were to be used, that would mean they would be way out of the way, relatively far away from cities and towns as such areas do not have enough free space to do such a project. This wouldn't solve the problem, as cities and towns are where people buy drugs. It would be still be easier and probably cheaper for them to instead of finding a way of traveling to one of these immunity zones, to just find a drug dealer in their neighborhood.
You're quite right, something shouldn't be shot down simply because it will be difficult. The thing is, this plan seems to go against the other option of simply legalizing drugs but putting restrictions on certain ones, which I personally think is a better all around plan.
This is exactly why drugs need to be legalized though. While illegal, they are uncontrolled. Drug dealers often do not care who their product reaches, they just want money. If legalized and regulated, it would be a lot harder for drugs to get into the hands of kids, particularly hard drugs which would be heavily regulated, most likely requiring a prescription and/or only given and allowed to be consumed in certain "clinics".
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Thats very true. I can get weed at a moments notice around here, but alcohol is quite a bit harder. I could probably get E more easily than alcohol.
But all drugs? Coke, meth, PCP, those are known to lead to violent behavior (not just quoting the movie here). What kind of restriction are you thinking?
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October 11th, 09:52 PM
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Thats very true. I can get weed at a moments notice around here, but alcohol is quite a bit harder. I could probably get E more easily than alcohol.
But all drugs? Coke, meth, PCP, those are known to lead to violent behavior (not just quoting the movie here). What kind of restriction are you thinking?
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Maybe not all drugs, but probably most. I quite frankly don't really know what kind of restrictions, but off the top of my head, for "heavy" drugs:
-You must be 21.
-No criminal record.
-Can only be purchased/received in certain clinics, maybe with a prescription.
-Can only be used in certain places, said places would need licenses and would be closely regulated and supervised.
Something along the lines of those.
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October 13th, 11:21 PM
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The reason its harder for people underage to get alcohol is because there underage and the only place to get it is from a store. As where(mentioned above) weed is much easier becasue you can only get it from dealers which usually dont care your age. If it is legalized it will be much cheaper to buy from a store than from a dealer, causing dealers to go extinct. It will basically make it just as hard to get as alcohol as long as age limits are set.
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October 14th, 01:07 PM
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The reason its harder for people underage to get alcohol is because there underage and the only place to get it is from a store. As where(mentioned above) weed is much easier becasue you can only get it from dealers which usually dont care your age. If it is legalized it will be much cheaper to buy from a store than from a dealer, causing dealers to go extinct. It will basically make it just as hard to get as alcohol as long as age limits are set.
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Correct. This is what I believe should happen to weed.
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October 15th, 02:11 PM
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I say make marijuana legal and cigs illegal. Atleast people will be healthier.
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October 15th, 02:33 PM
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I say make marijuana legal and cigs illegal. Atleast people will be healthier.
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Haha, probably true... too bad that's more unlikely to happen than Bush deciding to legalize marijuana tomorrow morning, even under a very supposedly liberal and democratic candidate.
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October 15th, 04:30 PM
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haha, can u imagine
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October 15th, 04:43 PM
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haha, can u imagine
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lol pretty much
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October 15th, 05:42 PM
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The reason its harder for people underage to get alcohol is because there underage and the only place to get it is from a store. As where(mentioned above) weed is much easier becasue you can only get it from dealers which usually dont care your age. If it is legalized it will be much cheaper to buy from a store than from a dealer, causing dealers to go extinct. It will basically make it just as hard to get as alcohol as long as age limits are set.
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Having it in a store is also a big problem. Like darktamer is saying, I think it should be in little clinics or smoke shops where you can rent a room and some green and smoke away, but while being monitored to make sure you don't steal it. Having it in a store would make it easy for kids to get it. You know how easy it is for me to get alcohol right now, even though I'm only 19? I probably have about 10+ friends that are 21 or older, including my 3 roommates, who would have no problem of me driving them down to safeway and taking 5 minutes out of their day to pick me up booze. It would be just like that, but for weed. If you want the product to be regulated, you keep it out of regular stores where you can buy it and take it with you.
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October 15th, 05:53 PM
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Having it in a store is also a big problem. Like darktamer is saying, I think it should be in little clinics or smoke shops where you can rent a room and some green and smoke away, but while being monitored to make sure you don't steal it. Having it in a store would make it easy for kids to get it. You know how easy it is for me to get alcohol right now, even though I'm only 19? I probably have about 10+ friends that are 21 or older, including my 3 roommates, who would have no problem of me driving them down to safeway and taking 5 minutes out of their day to pick me up booze. It would be just like that, but for weed. If you want the product to be regulated, you keep it out of regular stores where you can buy it and take it with you.
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You are right, in one way, and he is right in another.
Being in a store, it would be harder for kids to get. Kids as in people ~17 or under. I mean, when I was younger, I didn't know anyone who was 21+.
Being in a store would make it harder for kids to get ahold of, but easier for people 18-20 to get. Which is a better? I guess that's your opinion, but the way I see it, it benefits a lot more than everyone being able to get it almost whenever they want, only in a more "dangerous" manner.
Anyway...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fv5n4K2EwYY
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October 15th, 06:03 PM
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You are right, in one way, and he is right in another.
Being in a store, it would be harder for kids to get. Kids as in people ~17 or under. I mean, when I was younger, I didn't know anyone who was 21+.
Being in a store would make it harder for kids to get ahold of, but easier for people 18-20 to get. Which is a better? I guess that's your opinion, but the way I see it, it benefits a lot more than everyone being able to get it almost whenever they want, only in a more "dangerous" manner.
Anyway...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fv5n4K2EwYY
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yeah I guess that is also true.
that video is hilarious.
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October 16th, 02:04 PM
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lol the guy in that vid is awsome
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October 16th, 02:13 PM
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That guy is awesome. He must have a medical marijuana card thing or something, I don't see how he could record all that and not get arrested.
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October 16th, 02:54 PM
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Or he's Canadian..
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October 16th, 03:19 PM
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October 16th, 03:47 PM
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definitely has a medical card.
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