big_balla

You can't apply Newton's Laws to space.. That's astro physics.

Evolution makes 100% sense to me. Maybe it was because instead of trying to nitpick what couldn't possibly happen (one day ape turned to human... . . . ) you look at the big picture, and all the processes, and think of how many BILLIONS of years this happened in.. then look at today and you see evolution. The bacteria and viruses developing immunities to come antibiotics, etc.. Remember when people were freaking out about bird flu possibly going airborn?

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Trbo323

as for the bacteria, i think you would have to look at it on a genetic level to see whats really happening, afterall if you feed a human one kind of food for long enoufgh their body will adapt to that and process it differently, but that persons genetics are all the same, so i guess your wondering if that is an adaptation or a genetic change and i dont really have an answer for that, i guess then the question is where do you draw the line between adaptaion and evolution

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big_balla

I don't think you understand what evolution is.

It's not an adaptation caused by certain foods.. Maybe if 10000 people were chosen to partake in an experiment, and in the experiment the 10000 people were only allowed one bottle of water, per week. Most people would die, but if there was 5 out of the 10000 people that could somehow store the water (this is just an example, so just go with it) and survived, they'd pass on the genetics in order to survive in that condition. Natural Selection.

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martix_agent

what you call natural selection big_balla is part of what the definition of micro-evolution is.

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big_balla

Micro + Micro + Micro + Micro + Micro .... = Macro

Natural selection is. There is no "what I call it."

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martix_agent

explain to me how you get a different species out oh lots of changes not effecting anything in the big matter.

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big_balla

You didn't pay attention in freshman biology? Since you like Berkeley so much, look around at some evolution info.. I'm sure there is plenty of it.

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martix_agent

I was taught that mico =/ macro.
nor that lots of micro=macro

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HuNtS

i guess my whole problem with the evolution theory is why is there still apes, and why arent any other apes showing any similar signs of evolution that were seen in the ones that we supposedly "mutated" from? obviously if this process took so many years blah blah blah, then we can assume that apes have been around for a very long period of time, so some of these creatures have to be descendants of families that have been around for billions of years, meaning that mutations have had plenty of time to pass down generation to generation if it was going to happen. which would mean either somehow the process unexplainably stopped, or at one point the evolution foced the extinction of a certain species of this animal which would explain why the current ones we have around today wouldnt show "evolution" such as what we've supposedly had in the past because they havent been around long enough, or their genetics just arent capable like their ancestors...

idk, just my 2 cents.. i dont really care to think about how the world started, i just like to debate theorys...

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2.0

Big balla is right tho, lots of small changes can be seen as one large change in time. Experimentally speaking, it all depends on the rate in which one collects data.

Let's say 1 small change happens every 1 second and you want to evaluate overall change in 1 minute. If you're collecting every second then you'll see the amount of small changes in that minute. If you collect every 30 seconds however, you will only be able to see 2 medium changes, but can't conclude change happens more often because you didn't collect more samples in the sampling time. Same goes if you collect after a minute, you'd only notice one big change.

Same works for bacterial evolution. Change is gradual, mutations only happen one or a few nucleotides at a time over a many generations, which can be a long time depending on the life cycle of the bacterium, but it's accountable if you collect samples often enough during the time of change and compare the later samples with the earlier samples.

We as a species are very limited to see large scale evolution because we haven't been around very long and we don't live very long at all. Our individual existence is just a miserable blip in the universal scale.

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chromekilla

A better question for those who don't believe in evolution would be "Do you also think the earth is still flat?", or how about "Should free thinking women still be burned at the stake for witchcraft". Perhaps "What does it feel like to know you are the laughing stock of the entire educated world?".

Faith in a fairy tale does not trump science.

I cant use my belief in Peter Cottontail hopping down the bunny trail to ignore physics.

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sNoW PIrAnHa

Because we share a common ancestor with them. That ancestor would be extinct.

Chrome- you go girl.

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toXic

Hey chrome, you know, religious people were not the only ones who thought the earth was flat, or killed people for witchcraft. As for being the laughing stock of the world, I don't see too many people laughing at Einstein, Newton, and Faraday right now do you?

But have a nice day.

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2.0

Scientists have also been known to hold witch hunts. Not very often anymore tho, the community is brutal... a scientist's paper getting discredited with a solid counterpoint is probably the worst that could happen to them.

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big_balla

I don't think you get it.

Or you ****ed up your post.

Or something.

****.

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toXic

Well I may have misinterpreted his post. Maybe. If he didn't put the faith in fairy tale thing in there I wouldn't have. If he is saying christians are the laughing stock because they don't believe in evolution, then my posts stands.

If that is not what he was implying with the first paragraph, I must apologize.

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martix_agent

That's what I got out of it. And I'm choosing not to respond to it because it's simply a post meant to stir things up; we'll never see him post in this thread again.

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sNoW PIrAnHa

I think he's comparing the disbelief that evolution is real and the disbelief that the world is round. Of course it was quite incendiary.

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tippmannfronter

Tell me the last evolution of man. Seriously, we should have evolved already along with animals within the last 200 years if evolution is real. Resistance? More like adaptation. Like animals adapt to a new environment to survive we adapt to new medicines to survive.

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