martix_agent

We become less responsive to certain ones if our body sees them often enough.
which brings us right back on topic!

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sNoW PIrAnHa

We become less responsive to antibiotics because the bacteria evolve to an environment with antibiotics in them.

You're talking about tolerance levels (which occurs mostly with narcotics and pain killers). Which is not the case with bacteria because bacteria don't just adapt to it, many of them die and don't spread their genetic material but the ones that survive are more likely to spread their genetic material. Thus resulting in bacteria that are resistant to certain antibiotics.

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I'd like to add just FYI everyone, bacteria mostly don't just "evolve" resistance to anti-biotic. Most resistance is transmitted from one individual to another through "R factors", small chains of genetic code (plasmids, circular bits of bacterial dna) that elicit resistance by modifying the way the bacterium interacts with the anti-biotic in one way or another, making the drug useless.

Of course, all it takes is one individual to have the mutation that makes it resistant, so all future generations that came out of this one bacterium will carry resistance, and if the resistance cuts loose into a plasmid and so it becomes transmissible from a carrier to a non-carrier, then you have it. And this mutation that generated resistance to begin with, could be assumed as evolution.

Same with human beings, one could argue this way that our immune systems have evolved too, and this is visible by just accounting for the amounts of deaths 200 years ago from certain diseases and comparing it to now, diseases we did not overcome with medical assistance. Otherwise the common cold would still be killing loads of people a year.

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Flash LCD

About 250,000 years ago. But unless you believe that the earth was made in six days and is only 6,000 years old, that's a relatively short period of time. We haven't "evolved" again yet because our modern lifestyle doesn't necessitate it. There is no great epidemic pushing us to change. What most adversely affects us as a species is war and hunger, not natural influences which prompt evolution. We've adapted in slight ways as a species since 250,000 years ago, but a pure evolution simply isn't something practical to expect any time soon.

Animals aren't humans. They don't live like we do, and still are prone to natural influences which encourage large degrees of adaptation. When it's not natural influences, it's human influence that prompts change. Why did the wolf evolve into the dog? Human interference. Who or what will influence our change? Our environment? Not for a while, until we need strong filters in our lungs to process heavily polluted air. A higher species? We're not dogs, there's not a higher species which can influence us to change.

It's just not reasonable to say, well 250,000 years have gone by without an evolution, so I doubt the whole process of evolution. We weren't made from a damn rib, get over it.

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Dudeus

Think about why others believe it and accept what they believe as their own. Realize that you aren't going to change anyones mind that is worth changing without strong evidence, which in my opinion, no one in this arguement has.


Don't get pissy, and we can all debate in peace.

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toXic

IF you are going to knock something, at least know what you are talking about. The bible says Adam was created from the "dust of the earth". Then Eve was made from his rib. Big difference.


Which the dust from the earth thing kinda sounds like evolution doesn't it....


But, it may help out evolution if there was actual scientific proof that humans evolved from something. You know, that may help the evolution case. (I believe in evolution)

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I am on the side of evolution since my minor degree in anthropology and all the research from that points to the fact that evolution is the answer. That being said I still have the utmost respect for people that have their beliefs and faiths and reasonings as to the way things all began and how they have come to be. For me evolution is what makes the most sense, I have seen it proven to me over and over again, an example of this is monkeys/apes.

It is well documented and known that all the continents on earth were on more than one occasion a giant super continent. During the time when what we could call monkeys were around the continents now known as Africa and South America were together. Slowly over millions of years the separated leaving monkeys on both continents. Now because of the different environments they started to evolve on different paths. One thing that really sticks out in my head is that monkeys on the SA continent all have prehensile tails due to the thick rain forest, where as monkeys in Africa do not. This is a result of mutation over time where one or more monkeys out of a generation were born with that trait which gave them an advantage over the rest.

And just to respond to Flash, evolution is an on going process, not one of big leaps and bounds, so I reject your claim that the last time we evolved was 250 000 years ago.

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ha ha.


Behavioural changes may also be accounted as evolution, that includes intelligence, and the capacity to learn.

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Yea. If only there was some sort of credible scientific proof. Something like extensive fossil records, thousands of peer reviewed journals, an overwhelming belief in evolution by the scientific community, and classes in evolution in every respected University. Oh wait. We have those.

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Dudeus

Soo a lot of people believe it, that makes it right?


And if evolution is so slow then why do we have hardly any evidence (or none at all) of the missing link? I mean, they should have been around for half a million years or so, shouldn't they have?



I just hate how it seems everyone who believes in evolution acts so above everyone else, and acts like its such a bonafied theory.



Personally, I'm still open to ideas. Although right now, I'm leaning towards creation theory more than evolution.

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toXic

First, there is fossils that show some things evolved. But not that HUMANS EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. But, There are thousands of books that people have wrote about God creating the universe, an overwhelming belief in Creation in the religious community, and people being taught in churches about creation everyday. So it must be true too!

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Where are these fossil records at? I've nevre heard of any of them. All the "missing link" fossils have been proven hoaxes.

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These fossil records do exist. The fossil link between humans and chimps hasn't been found yet but its almost impossible that we're not related.

I suggest you two watch this YouTube - Evidence for Evolution, Part III (there are others but this one does a good job).

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hurdlebeast

flat as your mom's chest and yes. Science, btw, cannot prove anything of the big bang theory. THEORY. Anyone who claims to know exactly how the world started, is, imo very wrong. Some say it might have been a higher being. Some say a big explosion. some say otherwise. Ditto on evolution. It's not called the fact of evolution, it's the theory of evolution. just as u can't prove (or disprove) the bible, you can't prove (or disprove) these theories.

BTW fairy tales make me sleep better at night

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Like the theory of relativity and the theory of gravity? And the round earth theory?

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hurdlebeast

to be blunt, yes. because there is no way you can actually prove to me, 100% that anything in this world is real. It's getting into the whole idea of existantialism, but basically it comes down to that the only one, true thing in the world is that I exist. Everything else could be a dream, or an illusion, like the Matrix. so arguing about whether creationism or evolution is right is pointless, because I challenge you to prove to me that you yourself exist, and you are indeed not a figment of my imagination/manipulation of the electrical pulses in my brain.

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toXic

I think you took it a little too far with that one...

But here is just a random question. If the earth is 4.54 billion years old, meaning the universe is 4.54 billion years old due to the big bang, why is the moon still here considering it moves away from the earth 1 inch a year? Just a random question I thought of when I heard that a few days ago. Im sure there is a simple explanation for it.

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