toXic

well cynical i know what the heck im talkign about. Go find a friggin spyder and a cocker. And shoot them. Go find 2 mores guns and put them side by side. With the same velocity. And the cocker will shoot farther. Just try it. Dont be so quick to judge, Just try it. And and yes i do realize mech and electro work the same, but when you shoot faster there is a change of shoot down.

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That's true. Also, the range of the flatline can be reached with a normal barrel as well, you would just have to aim higher. With the flatline, you just aim straight out.

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txaggie08

in 8 yrs of playing ive never noticed more than a couple feet of distance variation in guns ranges. and half the time its not in th closed bolts favor.

this myth started becasue closed bolt guns do get increased range and accuracy. however since we get to use O-rings to seal our chambers, its irrelevant in paintball

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toXic

ok, whatever. But a few feet is important.

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cynical

toxic, toxic, toxic, and... um... how many times have you tried this lil experiment? and umm... do you even know what paint to barrel match is? you cant base that info on stock barrels with different paint. you have to use the same paint and the same barrel, and you my good sir, is the one that is too quick to judge. plus there is always fps fluctuations

toXic

lol yea, i know what paint to barrell match is. I have used the same barrel on both guns. And the same paint. and the autococker did shoot farther. And when we chrono'd the guns, the cocker had a lower FPS. So how about we just drop this? i know im right, and you know your right? so just forget about it.

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cynical

ok sure, but look at the phsyics, when firing, the ball still get hit with the SAME air, and your bolts coul be diff desighns. but ok ok, lets drop it

paintthecatBLUE

if you want more range, play airsoft. airsoft guns can shoot as fast as 700fps, you would get serious range with that velocity.

Elrodvoss

Well just to throw in my 2 cents on the *posted topic*.

Another option is the Warsensor/Armotech line of markers. I know the WS-66 and the WG-75+ and G3 all use what is called a "hop-up" barrel. Its like the flatline, but the flatline uses a curved barrel. Warsensor/Armotech uses grooves in the barrel.

The 66 has the grooves at 11-12-1 o'clock. The 75+/G3 has them as at each hour (1-2-3-4-5-etc.) The advantage of this is you get the same distance of the flatline (some say longer), but you still have power behind it to break the ball on the target rather then it just bouncing.

Also with the hop-up barrel you dont need to "angle" your shot as much, so the ball flies straighter. With the flatline, if you tilt your marker then your shot usualy curves cause of the barrel design.

Plus if you get a break in the flatline, ive heard its a pain to clean unless you use a pull through.

I personaly have not used either of these, but I have seen them in real life usage and ive seen the flatline hitting ground at the guys feet and the guy return fire and hitting him in the chest. Same distance, same FPS, best ball/barrel match for each marker.

So unless I can get 2 different people with stock ws-66 and a stock 98C w/ flatline and have them do range tests on a target, you wont ever solve this arguement.

Best thing I can tell you, is find someone that has one and try them out.


As for the Mag feed, there are only a few markers out there that are "mag feed" and those are from GetRealPaintball. They are NICE looking markers, but their range is something left to be desired.

James_patageul

Yes, but i thing airsoft is onyl without paint (inside the ball i mean)
and what the range for airsoft ?

thx

paintthecatBLUE

you can buy airsoft bbs that have paint inside them. however, airsoft is normally based on the honor system since most of the time there is no paint. and if you get hit by anything travelling 700 fps i think you would call yourself out just so you dont have to feel that pain again

Alpha

EVery paintball marker shoots the same range. A $20 brass eagle blade shoots just as far as a $1600 A-bomb timmy.

The Rap4 takes .43 cal paintballs, so dont expect to play at any non BYOP fields, and some fields won't even let you play becuase htey dont know how to chrony a .43 cal paintball.

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Alpha

PArdon the double post, but torch ****ign nailed it.

You can not make your paintballs go farther. No gun, or barrel system will give you the 100 extra fet they say they will. You can not put spin on a paintball. Grooves, curves, spin, NONE of this works on paintballs. Unless you can find a way to make paintballs self propelled, this is never going to work.

Your all wasting money. My $70 empire kit will outperform your $130 magic flatline.

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Pezzer

Ok, I may get in trouble for this but here goes:

Read the APG artical from a few months ago explained it quite well. "What effects a paintballs flight?". I will double check the month and edit later.

The glaring factor that stuck out the most was volicity consistancy (becides paint match). If your marker can shoot every shot within 2 fps of each other shot then as long as you dont move or there is no wind your paintballs will hit VERY close to the same spot (w/ good paint barrel match, etc).

There has been "some" evidence to show that a barrel with the "propper type and rotation" of grooves can provide a few (READ FEW!!!) more feet of "usable" range. These riffled barrels can give you a bit more "usable" range because the spin thats put on the ball (like a riffled barrel on a Muzzel loader) will cause it to fly with less turbulence for farther. This only happens with a axial spinning ball, not the backspinning flatline units.

Not all riffed barrels will do this trick because it was discovered that only a curtin size, number and rotation of riffle groves would improve a paintballs flight at all. Even then the extended range improvment was by only a few feet. Maybe if 10+ more feet of range appeels then go for it but remember if you break a ball in that riffled barrel it's harder to get it fully cleaned and dry again.

The backspin barrels (like the FlatLine) work with backspin, DUH. That does make the trojectory much flatter and the paintball will fly a bit farther BUT there is a greater chance it wont break on your target because it has flown too far to carry enough energy to break. Also if you tilt you marker even a little out of perfect vertical alingment then your backspinning ball will curve like a baseball pitcher's nuckleball towards the direction you are tilting. No fun!

There are not many riffled barrels on the market these days to choose from. Anyway the only riffled barrel out there that "may" slightly improve your range by a wopping 10-15 feet is the Hammerhead 'Battlestikx'. They are as expencive as any other 2 peice high quality barrel at $100 for the single barrel and $200 for the full kit w/ 5 backs and the front. Thats a ton of money for a rec-ball player trying to get a few more feet of range.

It only really ammounts to maybe 10+ feet of more pridictable flight path. The balls will fly "better" with more ball on ball consistancy (assuming your marker shoots with little fps flucuations) but that is all. These axial spinning balls should fly with less "wildness" towards the end of their paths were most non-spinning balls go crazy after 100+ feet or so.

However is any of this pratical in most paintball games? Not that I have seen so far. I am one of those guys who plays back and defence mostly so a range increse, if possible, is of interest to me as well. If I ever get around to trying one of those Hammerhead barrels I will post a review. At this time I am on the lookout for a review or owner can could confirm or deny these findings.

I will keep the forum posted if I find out for sure.

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martix_agent

you are wrong . that pic he has is a clip fed paintball gun that shoots paintball smaller than 68 cal.

There is a company that makes them (wish i could find the website) and they're also gonna make an AK-47 model. They claim that us amrines train with these things but I'm not sure about that. it seems like a good idea, but it's really expensive.

you could also say that a Q-loader is a type of "magazine" because it is spring loaded.

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Pezzer

I don't have Websters handy, but: (oops, found it online)

Def #5 covers what we are talking about:

5 : a supply chamber: as a : a holder in or on a gun for cartridges to be fed into the gun chamber b : a lightproof chamber for films or plates on a camera or for film on a motion-picture projector

Now you "could" call a paintball hopper OR that spring fed system on the Longbow a magazine. However, paintball as been trying for the past few years to distance the sport that we love from anything firearms related. Including terms and discriptions of parts of a marker. Heck, that why we call them "Markers" and not Paintball "Guns" these days. Or we try to at least.

For your point. A magazine in this context is a attachable container that holds and feeds ammo rounds (read: paintballs) into a firearm or weapon (read: marker).

No, the Q-Loader is a hopper (because it's for paintball). If it contained bullets it would be a magazine. Thats how I feel only because this is a big issue between me and my wife as well. She thinks all paintball players want to be in the army and shoot real guns. Don't get me wrong, I love guns as much as the next man but I want to play paintball for other reasons besides "gunplay".

She doesn't see that. And it doesn't help to see so many web sites and non-players equating paintball with gun play. They are of course related, both shoot projectiles, but for a very diffrent purpose. You can use paintball equipment for tactical training be it military or law inforcment but that's not what most of us are doing with our equipment.

Just my two pennies worth...

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James_patageul

i have maded search for BBS but i dont find so much !!

you say BBS can go up to 700 fps and in paintball what the "normal" speed ?

what the range for bbs with 700 fps ? (700 fps is the maxium ?)

The standar size for BBS is 6mm ?

i didnt find BBS "gun" with Shoulder stock ! did you know where i can find that ?

Pezzer

"normal" speed limit world wide for paintball is 300 fps. That is max of course.

However I have never been to a field or herd of one that allows faster than 280 because of insurance limitations. The indoor fields I have seen range from 250-260 for regular days and 280 for turney players pratice day. Basicly pros CAN shoot 300 but most everyone (pro or not) will discover there is a "sweet spot" fps for their marker and paint/barrel.

I have herd or pros finding this speed and just leaving it there even tho they can shoot as high as 300 fps. They local Avalanche guy here says his marker shoots best at aroung 265-270. So he sets in that range and leaves it there knowing he will never have to sweat a hot marker either. Plus he hits a better pattern he says at that speed.

"Speed aint everything", anyway the only smaller paintball markers are like the one you showed for tactical training and use the smaller .40 cal paintballs. Not allowed on regular fields anyway and harder to finds paint / parts.

If you still want to play paintball then just stick w/ a good marker and barrel / paint and you will hit as far as anyone else. Maybe farther if you pratice your deflection shooting at range. Heck, you may start getting guys off of the break better too.

-Pezzer