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***James_patageul*** · March 8th, 09:30 PM

Hello people,

i'm looking for a long range marker (for a private team)
with i can shouldered

i have fund this

but price is

and range is only 200feet and i need the double..

did you have any idéa ?

thx a lot

Torch · March 8th, 09:51 PM

You can't shoot very far with any marker and expect paint to break when it hits. It also won't be accurate at that range. The only way to get the extra range is to run a hot velocity, which isn't safe and is not allowed.

cynical · March 9th, 01:09 AM

listen james, every single paintball gun has the same range, plus you cant go above 300 feet per second either... and getting markers that look like real guns are a waste of time and money.

coughnubcough

Torch · March 9th, 02:37 AM

I wouldn't say its a waste of time and money. Lots of people enjoy the mil-sim. If you're going to play woodsball and scenario, than it isn't a waste. Expensive, yes...but not a waste.

Case is, all markers have the same basic range. You can agrue that a perfect paint to barrel match adds a few feet, but that isn't much when it comes down to it.

I'll also point out that the marker in that image there is a RAP. It uses smaller paintballs than standard markers. It uses magazines, and feeds from those instead of a hopper like a traditional paintball gun, it even ejects a little 'shell casing' after each shot. The CO2 is hidden inside the stock. The cost of it is mostly high because of its design and special features.

cynical · March 9th, 04:31 AM

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I wouldn't say its a waste of time and money. Lots of people enjoy the mil-sim. If you're going to play woodsball and scenario, than it isn't a waste. Expensive, yes...but not a waste

ok, ok but in my oppinion it is not necassary, and before you start putting teams together you should learn alot more about the sport and get more skill. wether you get a 150$ spyder or a 1000$ intimidator, they will ALL shoot the same range, they will just be different in quality, looks, upgradebility, air efficiantcy and firing rate, (bps,balls per second) and depending on the barrel, and how well you fitted the paint size to a barrel set... accuracy

**PaintBallBob** · March 9th, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cynical

coughnubcough

christ dude. lay off him he was just asking a question.

Markers that look like real guns are often looked down on by mainstream paintball. However, if thats your thing then no one is stopping you. However, you might want to look into airsoft as an alternative.

The ones above are right, range is a product of velocity. All those sniper adds you see are bs because the longer the barrel after you reach 15", the less range it achieves(because of excess friction). However, The tippmann flatline barrel system allows you to shoot 300 feet in a relativly straight trajectory. This is because it put backspin on the ball. However, it is only avaliable for tippmanns(not necessarly a bad thing since tippmanns have the tac-op look as well).

***James_patageul*** · March 9th, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Torch

...It also won't be accurate at that range. The only way to get the extra range is to run a hot velocity, which isn't safe and is not allowed.

We now that isn't safe but we whant create a new style of "paintball" a tactical one with real good range (of course there are many security rules and we are very goodly protected !)

we play allready a this new game but without ball with paint inside !
now we whant paint ! but the probléme is paint is heavy ! so the range is very lower !

So what we are looking for is for a good range, so maybe there exists "marker" with lower Caliber (for lighter ball)

For all:
we dont care of rate of fire because we play in half-automatic mode
we looking for a weapon with stock
there exists ball with a samller caliber than 0.40 inch ?

PaintBallBob
is this what your talking about ?

it seem be cool to, the magazines is a fake or it load realy ?
did you have full Specifications of it ?

***James_patageul*** · March 9th, 10:46 AM

i have just find this to

USA Performance Products Viper-M1 Miltary

look great and "only" 300$ but i dont have any spec of it !! can you help me ?

thx a lot..

cynical · March 9th, 01:14 PM

listen, paintball isnt your game, (as it seems, prove me wrong) no paintball gun is clip fed. there is no creating a "new stlye" of paintball game, what your saying can have a possibility of killing poeple. paintballs are only 68. caliber, and the range it does is good enough and makes you more of a tactical player, instead of just relying on fire power like a puss, and you can arch your shots to. sorry for calling you a noob, but try to become more familiar with the sport before you try to fight the mainstream, read all the stickies, learn the rules, and mechanics of paintball. and the flat line is a bad choice (in my humble oppinion) it creates un wanted curve the the left or right, and it is not allowed in serious tournements.
and there already is a tactical type of paintball, its called scenario, there is 48 hour war reanactments going on in some places, like the oklahoma D-day once a year. and any paintball traveling more then 300 fps will not be as accurate and will probably break in the barrel.

oh, and type slower and better so we can understand you better.

you might want to try airsoft, they shoot small plastic bb's and have a farther range, but the sport is a LOT smaller in popularity. and.. IN MY OPPINION, NO FLAMING... alotly gayerer

**txaggie08** · March 9th, 02:55 PM

gayerer....you invented a new word congratulations.

anyway, if you want a "tactical" sport like paintball, def want to look into airsoft. they make airsoft bbs that have paint in them to.

your not going to be able to come in and revolutionise things like you insinuating. people have been trying to get better range out of paintballs for many many years. the physics of it just dont work. the only way to make it "go farther" is to up the velocity. doing this is not only dangerous, but when you finaly injure someone your going to be in more than a little trouble legaly. play the game and be safe. if you want better ranges, get into airsoft or try a slightly smaler caliber paint. if you can find a smaller caliber paintbal, try building a custom gun to fire it. that may improve range to an extent

Torch · March 9th, 05:07 PM

Airsoft.

They have smaller paintballs and as far as I know they allow long range only guns to run 'hotter' than normal ones.

And some paintball guns Are clip fed. the one in the first picture in this thread is. Some classic Tippmanns were clip fed as well.

**toXic** · March 9th, 06:50 PM

You guys can agree or disagree, but some guns DO shoot farther than others. I know that autocockers(not bladed) do shoot farther than most other guns. Also some trixes can shoot farther also. I know this because i have shoot both. And shot many other guns, and them 2 shoot further than most.

**Ugly Bassist** · March 9th, 07:07 PM

^ no. its not the gun.. possibly the upgrades on the gun, but not the gun itself.. any gun is capable of the same range

**toXic** · March 9th, 07:43 PM

actually the way the autocockers and matrixes are made(closed bolt) they do provide some advantage... such as longer distance. not much, but it is there.

Torch · March 9th, 08:44 PM

Well going by that statement, clearly I can sniper everyone when I'm using my pump. It has more closed bolt action than a cocker. The ball can be motionless sealed inside the barrel for hours if I want it to.

All marker designs have the same range at the same velocity. You may milk a little more from a good paint/bore match and the right barrel length and porting.

Want more range? Aim higher. Can't hit anything now that you're lobbing? Get closer.

cynical · March 10th, 12:46 AM

toxic, dont argue about stuff you have no idea about. the ones you shot may have had better paint to barrel matche, and the velocitys might have been different, but they DONT go farther. you cant base conclusions on ONE experience. and closed bolt has nothing to do with the range. maybe air efficiantcy, or fps, but not range.

**txaggie08** · March 10th, 06:21 AM

yall do understand physics right. a .68 caliber ball of a certain weight will travel only a certain distance at 280fps. point is if it leaves it leaves the barel at the same speed.....there gonna go the same distance. onlything that will change that is the "hop-up" effect, or backspin as paintball knows it. and that just creates a higher arch trajectory.

btw you do realise a bladed cocker still works the same as a mech one right....

**txaggie08** · March 10th, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by James_patageul

i have just find this to

USA Performance Products Viper-M1 Miltary

look great and "only" 300$ but i dont have any spec of it !! can you help me ?

thx a lot..

looks like something done with a tippman. should have about the same characteristics as any other a-5.

***James_patageul*** · March 10th, 09:20 AM

The Tippmann flatline barrel system use the "hop-up/backspin" effect ?

**txaggie08** · March 10th, 01:41 PM

yes it does. however there are many problems wiht the flatline barrel system causing the paintballs to float out. the dont break at long ranges consistantly