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Torch · March 22nd, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sNoW PIrAnHa

....If you ever goddamn bunker me and shoot me 12 times in the back of the head I would seriously beat your ass and deep fry your family....

Thanks, I liked reading that. Good line.

**DJS2** · March 22nd, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HP_lovecraft

Yes, I agree that cheating is part of paintball, and has always been. I don't like the fact that paintall is turning into rollerball by removing rules that existed to facilitate a sport-like atmosphere.

I think you're right but wrong also. Just because more people are ramping doesnt mean that thats the reason its turning into rollerball or whatever the hell that is. in the nppl the people all [mostly] rip and shoot tons and tons of paint legitly. speed is the future of paintball. HP i respect that uve been into the sport for so long but i think ur blaming ramping for more problems than its caused. If your problem is with speed or roller ball you should be mad at all electro guns/boards.

**HP_lovecraft** · March 22nd, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJS2

in the nppl the people all [mostly] rip and shoot tons and tons of paint legitly. speed is the future of paintball.

Its not that I hate ramping. I just don't like that its a cheat mode that was made legal JUST BECAUSE they could not afford to stop it.
I worked as a ref for MANY YEARS, and spent much of that time chasing after cheaters.

Why should speed be the future of paintball? Everyone will all be able to shoot the same speed. So, if in 5 years, everyone shoots 30bps, what does that mean?
That means it will be very hard to move.... and be very expensive to play.... and be very dull to watch.

Another analogy is to compare modern paintball to CanAm racing. Back in the 1970s, you have Nascar, Indy and CanAm racing. The different with CanAm was there was no rules or limitations. You could have any size engine, and do whatever you wanted. They felt "speed" was the future of racing, but it made the sport into a joke. In the short term, it was more popular then Nascar and Indy.... but it became a gimmick and it quickly went out of business.
I think it would be a shame if that happened to modern tournament speedball.

Nick

**big_balla** · March 22nd, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HP_lovecraft

I think it would be a shame if that happened to modern tournament speedball.

QFT. So true man.

**joeyk803c** · March 22nd, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sNoW PIrAnHa

LaSoya is a really nice guy... Off the field

But that was really not cool, you don't shoot someone 12 times from less than five feet.

Yet, the guy forgot to mention, LaSoya was playing in an Amateur tournament. So even more BS.

pbpro115, the point is Paintball is ONE OF THE SAFEST sports in the world. With ramping, in time it won't be like that. How many parents are going to let their kids play when it is one of the un-safest sports? I mean including that people get hit 15+ times everytime they are supposed to get hit once. Yeah, ok.

818_Baller · March 22nd, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ShepardD

Plus 15 BPS isn't insanely fast, what is that 20 feet between the balls,

lol...Your an idiot.

**BAURblades** · March 22nd, 04:41 PM

meh, ramping is just a way to make more money... im not against it, but the only way u will see me with a ramping board is if i buy a gun stock with it... they cost too much by themselves...

man, its been a while

**splatwithhonor3** · March 22nd, 05:23 PM

I'm tired of ramping, and wiping, and all other forms of cheating, but I've given up on fighting it and decided to just improve MY skills beyond that of the cheaters. If you ramp fine. I'll wait till you drain that hopper on the front side of my bunker and take you out while your reaching for your pods. If you wipe fine. I'll just remember to put an extra three or four balls on you the next time so there's too much to wipe off. Eventually the cheaters will be run out of the game by everybody who is sick of their crap. Until then I'll worry about myself.

**MovingTarget** · March 22nd, 05:27 PM

PSP 2006. The Minute Men. All Mechanical.

The Anti-Ramp Revolution will Begin

***SPD010273*** · March 22nd, 05:41 PM

cheaters just drive people to improve themselves to the point where the playing field is again level... unless they come out with heat seeking paintballs this cycle will always continue... with the good getting better and the cheaters getting better cheats

**DuoDSG** · March 22nd, 05:50 PM

That argument doesn't make any sense. If people adapt to the cheaters, the cheaters will find new ways to gain an advantage. People's natural talent and practice can't hope to keep up with a machine or a circuit board that's shooting for the other player...sheesh.

EnergizerBunny · March 22nd, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by joeyk803c

Yet, the guy forgot to mention, LaSoya was playing in an Amateur tournament. So even more BS.

pbpro115, the point is Paintball is ONE OF THE SAFEST sports in the world. With ramping, in time it won't be like that. How many parents are going to let their kids play when it is one of the un-safest sports? I mean including that people get hit 15+ times everytime they are supposed to get hit once. Yeah, ok.

So...football was once considered the most barbaric sport in the united states and now look at how big it is

Xball · March 22nd, 06:32 PM

I don't need ramp to shoot fast.

**Labbmonkey** · March 22nd, 06:45 PM

ramping is dangerous. you go to bunker sum1 with 7 balls per finger pull= bad, bad name for paintball and possibly a medical bill for the person shot. its not only that it doesnt take almost any skill at all, its about paintball itself and everyones safety.

***P4IN7 B4LLS*** · March 22nd, 06:47 PM

ok i didnt bother to read the thread but ill adress some statements made...

selling more paint... how? if the board ramps, but its only capped at 15bps, how is that selling more paint than a non-ramping 20bps gun? its shooting LESS paint so how is that MORE??

doesnt take skill.... since when was pulling a trigger a "skill" in the first place. almost anyone in the world of paintball today can pull 15bps on any of those high end guns. ramping just makes it easier to achieve the same bps they would anyways.

and cmon, it just makes the game even more exciting. with the 15bps cap, you dont have players shooting ropes of 20bps, so with 15, its easier to make moves, and thus makes a more exciting game. players move more and dont sit behind their guns as much. thats like saying "full auto would ruin paintball", but look at the NXL, its one of the most exciting and performance based formats we have, and they use full auto. ramping allows for faster snap shooting, and just all around more aggressive play. its good for the sport...

**paintthecatBLUE** · March 22nd, 06:56 PM

i dont understand how people can say ramping is dangerous when people can shoot 20+ bps in semi auto. is your mom going to care whether or not the other person was ramping or legitimately shooting 22 bps when she sees 38 bruises on you? the arguement that ramp is dangerous is absurd. it doesnt matter if someone is ramping or using semi auto. people want to shoot fast in paintball, thats the way it is, and whether they do it with their own skill or with a board to do it for them is up to them. one way or another, people are always going to look for a way to shoot faster. if you dont like being hit more than once, play woodsball.

i can understand getting shot in the back of the head 15 times might not be that safe, but like someone else said, he would have shot that much paint even if he wasnt ramping. maybe he shouldnt have shot him in the back of the head either, but the kid being shot in the head wasnt shot in the head because of a ramping board, it was the player that decided to shoot him in the head, so dont blame it all on cheating.

**MovingTarget** · March 22nd, 07:01 PM

www.wickedairsportz.com has an interesting article about how ramping may not be covered by insurance so if some one is injured with a ramping board, fields may be viable :P.

**paintthecatBLUE** · March 22nd, 07:06 PM

im sure theyre going to have loads of evidence proving the person that got injured was indeed injured by a gun with a ramping board. youre forgetting that you can turn off ramp at the touch of a button.

***P4IN7 B4LLS*** · March 22nd, 07:18 PM

how can they prove it was from a ramping board? they wouldnt bring up the lawsuit until after the incident, and the person can change their board....

and you cant bring chris lasoya into this at all, because his whole "concussion" incident, was without a ramping board, so non-ramping is just as un-safe if thats how you want to put it.

folks, this is paintball. a game where we SHOOT EACH OTHER WITH PAINTBALL GUNS. thats all this is... regardless if theres ramping boards or not, YOU WILL GET SHOT MORE THAN ONCE. its just how the game is, suck it up or dont play the sport at all

**pbpro115** · March 22nd, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Torch

Thanks, I liked reading that. Good line.

oh wow, two kids on the other side of a computer screen are gonna talk tough over the internet....

seriously tho, Ramping isnt anymore dangerous then semi....as soon as u let go of the trigger, does it not stop? These people are just like those that argue guns, but Guns dont hurt people, people hurt people, Ramping is a tool, we use it, obviously u Ramp-Haters are a lil too familiar with it....maybe u've been lit up one too many times, learn to play the game, where a cup, or a helmet, or watever, dont cry cause we can do a run-through shootin 20+ bps