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**kidpaintballer** · April 11th, 12:56 PM

dye is suing because they clam that sp took their ideas that they already had, its bs

**HP_lovecraft** · April 11th, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kidpaintballer

dye is suing because they clam that sp took their ideas that they already had, its bs

Good job not reading any posts! Woohoo!

DYE bought the patent for a gun called the OMEGA. It was a mechanical ram-driven inline spooler. The first in paintball.

It was converted to Electro, then called the Matrix.

Smart Parts copied it EXACTLY for the Shocker03. The joke was that the only difference was the color of the bolt. The ION is simply a cheap Shocker.

There was a RUMOR that DYE and SP worked out a "deal" where SP would not sue DYE and DYE would not sue SP.

But... now that the ION-ray is selling like hotcakes... well... DYE wants a peice of that?

Nick

**kidpaintballer** · April 11th, 01:12 PM

i did read it, i was just lazy, and i just know that dye is sueing because of something gay, but thanks for the insight hp

***KazieKama*** · April 11th, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycupcake

fact is, that non of these companies care what happens to the sport, they are out there to make money, and when someone uses products which are theirs and gets money from it, they should be sued. This wont effect the sport, paintball is going to be any worse because dye sued smart parts, or smart parts sued 50 other companies... sure some guns are lost, and some companies are closed, but when you go out on the field and are playing, you dont think of smart parts, or dye, you're thinking of the sport, and of the end result, which is you playing paintball, happily.

Actually, it has every opportunity to effect the sport in a negative way. If companies keep sueing other companies, two things can happen:

1. To counter the cost of court fees, lawyer fees and the cost of having to deal with the whole trial instead of creating new techniques of doing things, we will see a raise in prices.

2. The more companies that get pushed out leaves the remainig few companies to expand themselves to fill the market, giving them the ability to decide what they will charge for their products at the same time slacking on quality (ala Microsoft). You said yourself that they dont care about the sport, its all about money.

As it is it is pretty expensive to play the sport with the costs of upgrades, paint, and field fees. If the prices were to raise significantly, many of those who might have been interested in the game might shy away due to the high costs.

Now, don't get me wrong, yes, I believe that DYE has right to sue SP over copyright infringements (Im not going to comment wether they did or not since I really dont know enough about the situation). Stealing is wrong no matter how you look at it. All I'm saying is that yes, it very well can have negative effects on the sport.

I dont want this to be taken the wrong way as a flame or anything, just adding my own humble opinion.

**toXic** · April 11th, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kidpaintballer

and i just know that dye is sueing because of something gay..

How is it any gayer than what SP sued other people for?

Xball · April 11th, 03:56 PM

Just about everyone in this thread is a moron.

Smart Parts destroyed some of the best companies out there and like HP said, raised the prices on all those guns. Yet Smart Parts sells their guns at a very reasonable price.

From what I've heard, the Nerve set Smart Parts back almost millions. So they pulled the Ion out of their ass as a last minute quick buck.

Why wouldn't Dye have the right to sue Smart Parts though? Dye BOUGHT the patent. I remember years ago, Dye was doing horrible buisness wise, but buying the patent for the Dye Matrix made them good again.

Smart Parts i pretty much washed out. They had their run, they should just give up now. Their guns are poorer quality now *i.e. plastic pos* their regs are horribly inconsistant, and all their other products are just poor quality. I bought a jersey from SP and it had holes in the armpits, wtf ya know.

Hopefully Dye will stop those plastic pieces of ****s production. Yes they blow and yes I hate them because it killed the resale on my gat.

**bobide** · April 11th, 04:07 PM

u have to admit the ion was a smart buisness move. Now as to it's quality...well, we know they skimped.

Just wanna say i agree w/ xball and lovecraft and pizzer, what sp did was bad for the industry. Driving up the cost of good guns that were based on original ideas, all because of some stupid microswitch patent (again, how obvious is the switch! shouldn't even be patentable in my mind) which they didn't even legally own.

I think dye's move to sue is a little "back off" to sp. Telling them to stay away from their bolt design, or else.

AND, i think it's a shame AKA is no longer producing guns (or the x-mag, etc), but am gladened by news that they are trying something w/ the e-blade to make guns again.

Xball · April 11th, 04:25 PM

To bad Eclipse patented the sensor idea. But that idea isn't too great anyways...

**sNoW PIrAnHa** · April 11th, 06:04 PM

the companies with the most money are the ones struggling both. The worst that could happen is that SP will give dye money for the ions and shockers already sold and then raise the price 15-50 bucks. Its not that big of a change. Think about it, if you were set on an ion and you had 285 exactly and they raised it to 315, would you care? no, its still basically the same price range.

***MeatIs4Beating*** · April 11th, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

i agree totally with that, like every other damn sport, it's becoming more about the money and power and less about getting good products out so people can have fun. and technically, can't the first paintball gun manufacturer sue everyone for the somewhat same design? i mean that as a joke, but it might just happen.

here's a quick question: how many companies make stacked-tube blowbacks?
how many are sueing each other?

If you owned a large company and see a change to knock out a competing product/company, you would be crazy not to try it.

***9supernoob9*** · April 11th, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

here's a quick question: how many companies make stacked-tube blowbacks?
how many are sueing each other?

That a good point. I have An icon e by 32 degrees. it is indentical, i mean identical to the e99. How is this possible

**hurdlebeast** · April 11th, 06:41 PM

exactly my point. the companies don't care about the smaller guns, there are literally hundereds of them out there. same with the autocockers- alot of companies make cockers, yet you don't see wgp suin anyone (i think they made the first cocker, not sure). why? because spyders and cockers don't cost 1000 dollars (with some exceptions ie the karnivore) and they are not "pro tourney guns". tell me five well known pros that use stacked tube blowbacks or mech cockers, and i'll admit pwnage.

K&K_Paintball · April 11th, 06:41 PM

Yeah, My friend bought the Rebel Xtreme Electronic and we were flipping through my magazine looking at ads, and he sees those two markers on different pages and he's like, "hey, that's like my marker, wtf!"

**counterstrike53** · April 11th, 06:46 PM

ahh smart parts has gotten themselves into deep crap sueing everyone. they should have known this was coming.

K&K_Paintball · April 11th, 06:49 PM

Yup, I mean they sue everyone, they must have known some people were going to fight back, not all companies are like "Well....we can't do anything so...guess we are just gonna pay up" I'm glad Dye stood up to them and pushed them back just like Smart Parts tried to do to them...

**hurdlebeast** · April 11th, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by counterstrike53

ahh smart parts has gotten themselves into deep crap sueing everyone. they should have known this was coming.

i know there is a backstory to this, that dye sued smart parts or something, i don't know about it nor do i care. i just think suing at all is stupid, especially with these bigger companies who make enough dough already. greed leads to more greed, i guess. seems like someone is biting the hand that feeds, though...

**Huey69** · April 11th, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

same with the autocockers- alot of companies make cockers, yet you don't see wgp suin anyone (i think they made the first cocker, not sure).

Lol like Bud could sue anyone? He took/stole the idea from palmer. Palmer purposely didnt patent it becuase he wanted to see where people would go with it.

**hurdlebeast** · April 11th, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Huey69

Lol like Bud could sue anyone? He took/stole the idea from palmer. Palmer purposely didnt patent it becuase he wanted to see where people would go with it.

which is the best way to go. sorry bout the lack of cocker knowledge (

). anyways, palmer did the right thing-took something new, let it roll, and now it's huge. again, you don't see him suing anyone? why can't dye and smart parts be like that?

two more things: does anyone know of any other legal actions NOT containing dye or smart parts? say, wdp or bob long or anyone high end like that? pm me with the info, if you can. thanks in advance!

and two: knowing my luck, kingman, palmer, and everyone else will start suing, thus making everything i've just said completely and utterly false. ahh, my luck

**freakpizzaboy** · April 11th, 07:13 PM

i think its a scheme between them to raise the price of the ion, they probably saw how well they were selling and was like WTF, told dye to sue them so they wuld supposedly get "cancelled" and then sell them for more, greedy bastards

and i suppose you have heard of my moon conspiracy???

**hurdlebeast** · April 11th, 07:22 PM

what if dye wants to make ions for themselves..not neccesarily run smart parts outta business, they keep dye in check somewhat...this is getting interesting.