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**Huey69** · April 11th, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by freakpizzaboy

i think its a scheme between them to raise the price of the ion, they probably saw how well they were selling and was like WTF, told dye to sue them so they wuld supposedly get "cancelled" and then sell them for more, greedy bastards

and i suppose you have heard of my moon conspiracy???

shut up.....

**Tippmann_A5** · April 11th, 08:42 PM

Of course someone has to start bashing on the Ion, and the first thing that comes out of peoples mouths is that its plastic, well guess what that plastic is harder to damage then your metal guns and ill just buy a new shell when it gets damaged. It may not look as good in your opinion but hey the hundreds in savings are worth a few people not liking the looks.

**MP11** · April 11th, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

exactly my point. the companies don't care about the smaller guns, there are literally hundereds of them out there. same with the autocockers- alot of companies make cockers, yet you don't see wgp suin anyone (i think they made the first cocker, not sure). why? because spyders and cockers don't cost 1000 dollars (with some exceptions ie the karnivore) and they are not "pro tourney guns". tell me five well known pros that use stacked tube blowbacks or mech cockers, and i'll admit pwnage.

WGP did sue companies. When Glenn Palmer relized this he sent a letter to Bud. Here is the letter.

As Nick said, Kingman did sue PMI.

It is buisness. It is a shame AKA had to stop making the Viking and Excalibur and AGD had to stop making the X-Mag and E-Mag. It is sad to see the prices of other markers rise because of them. What are we to do about it? Boycotting their buisness won't work because the ION is a great marker for the price, the Shocker is a decent marker, and the Max-Flow tank if amazing as well. Why miss out on good gear because of buisness ethics?

-Mike

SPECK · April 11th, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MP11

WGP did sue companies. When Glenn Palmer relized this he sent a letter to Bud. Here is the letter.

-Mike

That is so wierd. You typed "WGP" and then "When Glen Palmer" which is WGP, lol. Just noticed.

**bobide** · April 11th, 09:47 PM

it's like watching retards try to build a rocket to the money. U guys keep taking wild shots in the dark trying to find a "conspicracy" or whatever. We've explained it all and what it means.

K&K_Paintball · April 11th, 09:56 PM

Maybe there is a conspiracy, but most likely there isn't, just like the new DMC, everyone tries to make it sound like they have answers, just to get some e-attention....

**bunkertime** · April 11th, 10:05 PM

Ok, let me clear up the wholw blow back part...

Kingman OWNS the patent to the Stacked tube blow back design POS gun. Kingman gets paid royalties for those guns. so every gun made by 32 Degrees abd what not, a certain % goes to kingman.

As for dye... I say let them sue SP's, i wana see if someone goes Anti-Dye and ****. lol

**HP_lovecraft** · April 12th, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bunkertime

Kingman OWNS the patent to the Stacked tube blow back design POS gun. Kingman gets paid royalties for those guns.

Let me clear something up. Your wrong.

The Kingman Spyder was an EXACT RIPOFF of the ICD Promaster, that came out 2 years before. In fact, your Spyder COULD USE PROMASTER PARTS.

The PROMASTER itself was loosely based on the Sheridan VM68, which came out in 1990.

Sheridan decided NOT TO PATENT to the VM68 to encourage aftermarket development.

So, THERE ARE NO STACKED TUBE BLOWBACK PATENTS.
This is why they are so cheap. NO ROYALTIES.

Kingman sued PMI for TRADEMARK reasons, not patents. Kingman TRADEMARKED the idea of putting "STUPID, USELESS CRAP" onto a gun. PMI copied that idea and Kingman sued. A judge through the case out as having no merit.

Nick

**Brockocoli** · April 12th, 07:04 AM

so hp...have there been any conforontations between sp and Dye before...or anything with the shocker or matrix...basically, any history we should know of?

**hurdlebeast** · April 12th, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HP_lovecraft

Let me clear something up. Your wrong.

The Kingman Spyder was an EXACT RIPOFF of the ICD Promaster, that came out 2 years before. In fact, your Spyder COULD USE PROMASTER PARTS.

The PROMASTER itself was loosely based on the Sheridan VM68, which came out in 1990.

Sheridan decided NOT TO PATENT to the VM68 to encourage aftermarket development.

So, THERE ARE NO STACKED TUBE BLOWBACK PATENTS.
This is why they are so cheap. NO ROYALTIES.

Kingman sued PMI for TRADEMARK reasons, not patents. Kingman TRADEMARKED the idea of putting "STUPID, USELESS CRAP" onto a gun. PMI copied that idea and Kingman sued. A judge through the case out as having no merit.

Nick

thank you for clearing this up, and for setting me straight. i have a bad tendency to say stuff without having any background knowledge. yet again, i'm sorry.

**128shot** · April 12th, 07:04 PM

go HP go HP go. Do you think that the blazer is better than the autococker? (just wondering, you have lots of backround...)

sorry for posting out of subject stuff. So i'll post something on topic.

Dye will probably win good or lose horribly in this case.

K&K_Paintball · April 12th, 07:49 PM

go HP? Who the heck is HP? do you mean SP? Do you all think if someone patents the stacked tube blowback the price of them will go up, and for every sale of a blowback the company that patented it gets a % of the cashola?

**128shot** · April 12th, 07:53 PM

HP lovecraft dude....i just left out the lovecraft.

**bob005** · April 12th, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 666paintballer

look what this sport is becoming. greedy little *****es

greedy? no. i'd sue the **** out someone if they violated any of my patents (if i had any). they are your property. do you not go after a thief if they steal your wallet? it's the same damn thing.

**bunkertime** · April 12th, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HP_lovecraft

Let me clear something up. Your wrong.

The Kingman Spyder was an EXACT RIPOFF of the ICD Promaster, that came out 2 years before. In fact, your Spyder COULD USE PROMASTER PARTS.

The PROMASTER itself was loosely based on the Sheridan VM68, which came out in 1990.

Sheridan decided NOT TO PATENT to the VM68 to encourage aftermarket development.

So, THERE ARE NO STACKED TUBE BLOWBACK PATENTS.
This is why they are so cheap. NO ROYALTIES.

Kingman sued PMI for TRADEMARK reasons, not patents. Kingman TRADEMARKED the idea of putting "STUPID, USELESS CRAP" onto a gun. PMI copied that idea and Kingman sued. A judge through the case out as having no merit.

Nick

Damn... i just got owned. haha. Nice job HP. U are the man of the classic paintball.

Xball · April 12th, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bunkertime

Damn... i just got owned. haha. Nice job HP. U are the man of the classic paintball.

Truf. But no offense, he don't kow much aboutn current paintball.

**tippy98cuser** · April 13th, 10:07 AM

Thats so dumb

What abiut all the spyder clones?

**hurdlebeast** · April 13th, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tippy98cuser

Thats so dumb

What abiut all the spyder clones?

read hp's post again...there are no patents on stacked tube blowbacks. spyders are stacked tube blowbacks. therefore spyder can be cloned because there are no patents on their guns.

**tippmann666** · April 13th, 05:56 PM

when did agd stop making the e-mag?????? i never knew that!!!!!! waaaaaaaa. i want one soooo bad. i hope dye sues sp for every penny that they have.

Xball · April 13th, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tippmann666

when did agd stop making the e-mag?????? i never knew that!!!!!! waaaaaaaa. i want one soooo bad. i hope dye sues sp for every penny that they have.

Uhm like over a year ago..