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**vpraidersfan1** · April 9th, 10:20 AM

Yesterday, April 8, 2005 Dye claim's SP is violating there patent's.

"Dye has filed suit against Smart Parts (shop | news), claiming that Smart Parts "willfully, deliberately, and intentionally" violated Dye patents, and continues to do so with other developments.

Specifically, the suit references the Ion, Shocker, private label Shockers, SFT bolt kits, and charges that Smart Parts (shop | news) is "inducing others" and providing instructions to violate Dye's patent.

The court document claims Dye as been "irreparably damaged" and calls on the judge to award lost revenue, damages, and court fees to Dye, as a result of Smart Part's alleged patent violations.

Dye has hired the largest patent & intellectual property law firm on the West Coast to handle the case, and is demanding a trial by jury.

Other than the court filing, both manufacturers are tight lipped about the allegations, so we'll have to wait and see what happens in court. "

Taken from PbStar. Dont know how old this is... but damn.

**ShepardD** · April 9th, 10:38 AM

These rash of lawsuits are getting old. That said I hope the F up SP.

**kidpaintballer** · April 9th, 11:01 AM

thats bulls***. sp shouldnt be sued, thats such crap

**Ugly Bassist** · April 9th, 11:07 AM

Now Smart Parts is the company BEING sued. Interesting..

**olddfatbulldog** · April 9th, 11:12 AM

What do you think happened with WDP PBNewbie?

I gotta get an ION soon.

**666paintballer** · April 9th, 11:34 AM

look what this sport is becoming. greedy little *****es

**Brockocoli** · April 9th, 12:08 PM

hmm...i don't know how all of this would be infringing on dye's patents...but, wasn't the matrix supposed to operate similar to the shocker???

**kidpaintballer** · April 9th, 12:49 PM

was it^? i didnt know that

**Huey69** · April 9th, 01:10 PM

The matrix come out a long while before the shocker. But yes they are both spool valves. SP got the rights from dye to use a similiar design for the shocker. Now, Dye is being hypocritical and suing SP.

**Fubar2** · April 9th, 01:13 PM

im pretty shure all sports go threw this with the sueing, we just dont hear about it because its not news people report on.

**Anonymouse** · April 9th, 01:23 PM

mna, this is getting out of hand. How can SP be infringing on a Dye patent on the shocker/ion/etc when they were infringing on WDP patents for the same stuff? does that mean Dye should also sue WDP? this is so stupid. All the leaders of these companies should go jump off a cliff, or stop suing each other.

**hurdlebeast** · April 9th, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 666paintballer

look what this sport is becoming. greedy little *****es

i agree totally with that, like every other damn sport, it's becoming more about the money and power and less about getting good products out so people can have fun. and technically, can't the first paintball gun manufacturer sue everyone for the somewhat same design? i mean that as a joke, but it might just happen.

here's a quick question: how many companies make stacked-tube blowbacks?
how many are sueing each other?

**crazycupcake** · April 9th, 02:14 PM

can you people please stop saying things like "OMGZORZ, WHATS THE SPORT GETTING TO WHERE EVERYONE SUES EACH OTHER" fact is, that non of these companies care what happens to the sport, they are out there to make money, and when someone uses products which are theirs and gets money from it, they should be sued. This wont effect the sport, paintball is going to be any worse because dye sued smart parts, or smart parts sued 50 other companies... sure some guns are lost, and some companies are closed, but when you go out on the field and are playing, you dont think of smart parts, or dye, you're thinking of the sport, and of the end result, which is you playing paintball, happily.

**crazycupcake** · April 9th, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

here's a quick question: how many companies make stacked-tube blowbacks?
how many are sueing each other?

stacked tube blowbacks, and microswitch designs, or bolt designs are different things... you dont see companies being sued for making their markers electo pnuemanic? its a different thing, its like saying that ford sued honda for using the same size wheels.

**butterjuice** · April 9th, 02:22 PM

this is gay im tired of all these companies sueing eachother. Im just gonna go kill myself GOSH !!!!!!!!

**hurdlebeast** · April 9th, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycupcake

stacked tube blowbacks, and microswitch designs, or bolt designs are different things... you dont see companies being sued for making their markers electo pnuemanic? its a different thing, its like saying that ford sued honda for using the same size wheels.

i know that, each gun is a little different than every other one. what i am sayin is that it will eventually come down to that after they run out of things to sue each other over. you don't see any of that yet because they are goin for the big dogs (expensive, high end guns) and leaving the little ones alone. that's what i was trying to say

edit: and for the record, i hope the courts will throw this case out the window, and tell them to get over it. they won't, though.

**tippmannfronter** · April 9th, 03:17 PM

Will it ever end?

**bobide** · April 9th, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycupcake

stacked tube blowbacks, and microswitch designs, or bolt designs are different things... you dont see companies being sued for making their markers electo pnuemanic? its a different thing, its like saying that ford sued honda for using the same size wheels.

All stacked tube-blowbacks are the same. Spring returns hammer, hammer moves bolt, blah blah. The only reason is it's such a obvious patent/idea. And the micro-switch battle...comeon that should of never been allowed to even START. What else are u going to use to communicate w/ the board? Somethings are just to obvious for a patent, a patent is for a specific idea, and serves to pretect the idea. Not to make some money off others like sp did w/ the micro-switch. And i think WDP's whole board battle w/ sp was a little payback, though i consider it dumb also.

Dye Sues SP
the sp forum has a thread on this. It's got a link to the actual patent (towards end)

**NoDoz** · April 9th, 06:32 PM

The patent on Stacked-Tube Blowbacks expired.. awhile now..

The reason SPs patents lasted so long was that they were always "pending" and lasted for awhile. Need to find that article that says this.

**sumsimpleracer** · April 9th, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 666paintballer

look what this sport is becoming. greedy little *****es

no their not becoming greedy little female dogs their just using their business rights and playing it smart. If i were a business and someone was violating my patents without proper pay then i would get pissed and start suing people too. Inventions are hard to come by and if someone is using it without proper compensation then theirs really no point in inventing something.