Thread Tools

**bobide** · August 9th, 12:18 AM

The guy words it well. He nailed on the head why paintball struggles.

Medic, the question is, how can we save it! Field owners won't bother, refs don't have the balls, the pros are indifferent, the companies only care about cash.

Someone (field owners i say) need to start letting players know this game needs to be played w/ a little honor and respect (for others) or u are gone.

**1337** · August 9th, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MedicDVG

I agree with Tyger as to what the sport has become. But I think it rather ironic that those of us who are of the older generation (I have been playing since the late 80's on and off -- I am 38) are expecting maturity in a mostly imature sport. Face it, the vast majority of players these days are not even able to drive yet!

What the sport needs is sportsmanship and honor - I agree wholeheartedly, but where are the new generation of players going to find it? Not from the 14 year old ref who is too intimidated to make a stand. Certainly not the pre-pubescent player that is insecure and agressive..

We, the players, have created this monster, and we the players need to change it. Tyler has tried his best, and if you read his stuff and see his vids, you see that he loves this sport and wants to develop the young players within it. However, he has been quashed in a sea of immature, young, technologically advanced, agressive brats. It is no wonder he feels disenfranchised.

I will miss him and hope that he finds something to fill the hole in his life that was paintball.

I'd rather see more new faces than a few old ones.

I kinda like fighting over paintball... hehe..

***MedicDVG*** · August 9th, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D:< @ DYNASTY

paintball isnt the same thing cus its mainstream.......... sooooooo many people "know" what it is and have lpayed it

What????

**BAURblades** · August 9th, 05:28 AM

this guy is a trip... he makes it seem like Paintball sucks ass and is super dangerous. Pretty much all BS and its called the real world.... look at everything these days, its all the same, everyone is out for themselves no one else.... he is holding paintball to a higher standard....

sure, it has gotten worse, but so has skatbaording, snowboarding, bmx, motoX, etc.... hell, baseball and steroids, football and drugs..... gymastics and wrestling cutting weight illegaly.... ice skating and breaking peoples legs, etc....

flame me i dont care, but this guy is a joke.

BTW.... Medic ur old, just in case you forgot

***MedicDVG*** · August 9th, 06:14 AM

Yes I am old. So frickin what!? I do remember the birth of paintball. I played every sunday in an old excavating pit with a bunch of guys and it was great. Back then, if you wiped a hit, you were shunned and mocked, but now its ok? Strike that.. its more then ok, its EXPECTED??? And yes the sport is becoming less safe.. ramping, 20+ BPS markers and velocity ramping are all over... with each technological advance, my margin of safety is reduced. Someday soon, someone is going to have a failure of thier goggles and be blinded or killed.

But I will not sit idly by and "take it" as gospel that this is the "real world." Just as there is sportsmanship in other areas of recreation, there needs to be in Paintball. I understand Tyler's frustration with the sport -- it used to be fun, and now its smack talk and win at all costs even at the rec ball level.

Hell there are fields I do not go to, nor teams that I will play with becuase they are cheap ass whining spoiled brats. You can't tell me that making this sport into an ego filled, "I Ponwed Joo", testosterone fest will allow this sport to grow.

I know I am wasting my time trying to get you to see another viewpoint, and I think that is what Tyler is tired of as well. He wants the sport to be honorable, safe, and FUN. Sometimes the sport is not fun for me becuase of all the crap that we all "just have to live with."

While I may long for what paintball used to be, I am realistic enough to know that nostalgia alone will not change paintball. I rather feel that I can espouse loud and clear the morality of a better way for our sport to be. Perhaps that is maturity, I don't know. But I for one mourn the loss of a such an advocate for fair play and, who up untill recently, was a very active proponant of this sport.

**Jinjiro** · August 9th, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAURblades

this guy is a trip... he makes it seem like Paintball sucks ass and is super dangerous. Pretty much all BS and its called the real world.... look at everything these days, its all the same, everyone is out for themselves no one else.... he is holding paintball to a higher standard....

sure, it has gotten worse, but so has skatbaording, snowboarding, bmx, motoX, etc.... hell, baseball and steroids, football and drugs..... gymastics and wrestling cutting weight illegaly.... ice skating and breaking peoples legs, etc....

Yeah, but steroids, drugs, and breaking peoples legs are NOT accepted and are NOT ok in those sports. There were consequences for the actions. But wiping's fine, cheater boards are a part of the game, and fighting is just something that happens.

If it were any other sport you would have to suffer the consequences.

-Jin

***Dooby*** · August 9th, 08:55 AM

I read it.

I watch all the WDR videos, it taught me a lot about paintball ... its a real shame that its gone now

But, I live and play paintball in england ... and it isnt taken as seriously here (I think its because the sport is relatively new over here) meh, but I understand what hes saying though =/

Torch · August 9th, 09:37 AM

I'm 20, call that old if you want. Call it 'old' if you want. But for years now, I have thought most people my own age are slightly stupid with no ability to see past the next few hours.

Growing the sport, huh? The age of new players is falling, that's a fact. Now, younger people don't have the ability to make good money working a job, or even drive them selves to the field.

Kid wants to start playing, parents take them to the field, give them some cash to buy paint/rent/whatever. Say they stick around a little, watch a few games. You would want to see what your kid was doing too, wouldn't you? Let's take the worse case and say the mom or dad sees a player start a bunker run through. He shoots people an excessive number of times from several feet away. One of the people he shoots gets upset and runs at him, shooting him in the head and then hits him.

Do you think that kid's parents will let them play again? How about changing the "Paintball Stereotype" from G.I. Joe wanna-be" (which has problems, don't get me wrong) to "Aggressive teenagers that shoot things and fight with each other with no regard for safety of anyone involved."

Sure, we all play. We all get welts, some worse than others. There's no changing that.
But there's a hell of a difference between getting shot out or catching a few extra balls because you weren't paying attention and walked into them against over shooting, bonus balling, and flat out fighting.

**DaBluedevil** · August 9th, 09:40 AM

One word to explain it all :

Evolution.

Torch · August 9th, 09:53 AM

"Degeneration" works just as easy.

**Snip3r** · August 9th, 09:57 AM

Its just what the sport has become...if they cant deal with it...and compete on the level that professional paintball is played....then stick to the woods.

**bobide** · August 9th, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snip3r

Its just what the sport has become...if they cant deal with it...and compete on the level that professional paintball is played....then stick to the woods.

That's not it. Don't give me that tourney bull****.

Violence on the field should not be part of any game. I can accept cheater boards, playing on, and bonus balling. But physically trying to beat some one up over a game of paintball. It's childish and it ruins paintballs image.

**Snip3r** · August 9th, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobide

That's not it. Don't give me that tourney bull****.

Violence on the field should not be part of any game. I can accept cheater boards, playing on, and bonus balling. But physically trying to beat some one up over a game of paintball. It's childish and it ruins paintballs image.

I didnt mean the violence...you're correct and violence is un-called for. I was referring to the way the game is played.

Torch · August 9th, 12:09 PM

Any takers on a bet that in a few years- or shorter- that isn't the case anymore? Fighting will be more 'acceptable'?

Wiping used to be a horrid thing do to. Now it's "Part of the game"
Ramp was outright cheating. Now groups try to 'cap' it or otherwise limit it, because they can't make it go away. Bounce isn't something I have high opinions of either. Once again, part of the game, is it?

Fighting and violence isn't 'cool' now. But face it, we've all had the urge to go after that one guy and knock him out for what he did. But then again, Most people have the control and common sense to not do it. Or not do it on the field in the middle of a game. Given the trend paintball's following, how long do you give it?

Another thing is that the article was written largely about Rec Ball, not tournaments. Let's not forget that. That pretty much nulls any "that's the way the pros do it" arguments.

Rec ballers don't play for money, we don't play on our sponsor's time and free equipment, and we don't get any fame or magazine spreads. Few people do compared to the ones that open their wallets every weekend because they want to play and enjoy it.

**Mangobutter** · August 9th, 01:01 PM

it is sad, ive never had a fight at my field but ive seen the bullying of refs, and its not right. Then agian ive also seen people tying to bully the refs and the refs not budging. i guess it just depends on the size of the poeple, not right but thats what happens.

**xXMikeXx** · August 9th, 01:13 PM

torch is right, we go to the fields to have fun and just play, but then u got some *** taking the game way too serioulsy, overshooting and arguing with people.its just a ****in game(rec ball at least)

***MedicDVG*** · August 9th, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snip3r

Its just what the sport has become...if they cant deal with it...and compete on the level that professional paintball is played....then stick to the woods.

That is just the point, We ARE talking about REC/woods ball. Thats the saddest part. These people are playing for the love of the game and not the glory and the prizes and yet they are acting like hoodlums. That is the part that is killing the growth of this sport.

I play with a group that plays a woods game in a local forest preserve. There are rules, a chrono, and if you were to be a douche, there are more then enough people there to ask you t