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**Krazy_Zack** · August 10th, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barber

Alright bud, you're better than me? What's your team name? How many tournies have you won?

Yeah, I wipe, I play on, I overshoot. Why? To win. I don't pay money to play a tourny to be a good example in the paintball community and sit on my ass in 12th place, I go out there to win. Nothing else.

Why do I overshoot? Because if I don't he's gonna wipe it off. He can't wipe 10-15 hits though can he?

Why do I play on? Becuase the refs suck. It's their job to pull me, not mine.

Why do I wipe? Becuase I like winning rather than losing. It's the guy on the other team's fault for not shooting me more than I could wipe.

Don't even comment on my posts if you play recball. Unless you play tournies you have no idea why I do this ****. You think "Oh snap! Mil-Sim Jim got banned from the woods for wiping! Who would ever do that?", you act like wiping is like murder.

Wiping is part of the game, just like holding in football. If you get away with it, you have an advantage. If you don't get away with it, it's a penalty. Simple as that.

You "buddy" are a cheater, NOT a winner. You can believe whatever you want but some day you are going to have to face the truth. I've played a few tourneys in my time "pal" and I would never say "oh snap".... (it also hasn't changed my attitude towards cheating. What it HAS changed is my attitude towards Tournaments and how much they suck because of the cheating.). It's unfortunate that the type of baller that you represent is NOT the minority.

Are you happy that GOOD people (and players) like Tyger (who DEFANATLY is a beter player than you) are leaving the sport?

It's because of Ballers like YOU (and YOUR attitude) that he is leaving.

Think about that the next time you decide to cheat.

***Barber*** · August 10th, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazy_Zack

You "buddy" are a cheater, NOT a winner. You can believe whatever you want but some day you are going to have to face the truth. I've played a few tourneys in my time "pal" and I would never say "oh snap".... (it also hasn't changed my attitude towards cheating. What it HAS changed is my attitude towards Tournaments and how much they suck because of the cheating.). It's unfortunate that the type of baller that you represent is NOT the minority. Thats the reason that paintball is as bad as it is right now and GOOD people like Tyger are leaving the sport. Think about that the next time you decide to wipe.

I think you are in denial becuase you try to play honestly and lose.

Actually, I do win. I win a lot actually. My team probably wins over 80% of the games we play.

If I didn't wipe a hit or have a ramping gun, I'm sure we would still win, just lose the 10 points or whatever.

The real reason paintball is "as bad as it is" is people who play recball trying to talkdown on tourny ballers.

I don't know why you say paintball is "bad" when it is the fastest growing sport in the world, it's on TV, and has tournies all over the world.

Maybe you should step out of the woods and play for a while.

Are you sad becuase people like Chris LaSoya (who is better than you) cheat?

When I wipe all I think about is shooting the guy in front of me in the face about 15 times.

**Krazy_Zack** · August 10th, 07:06 PM

I'm not going to get into the "Speedball sux - No! Woodsball sux!" arguement with you because I could say the same thing: Step off your speedball field and come to the bush and see how a real man plays paintball......

I'm not like that though. I play speedball. I also play woodsball. What I am is a RECballer. (you seemed to have missed that point earlier on). I don't do tournaments.

Why? Because the rampant cheating sickens me.

Oh and by your definition of a "winner" I play extreamly well thank you very much so "denial" is not a factor in my beliefs.

The fact that good players are leaving the sport because the dregs are ruining it for everybody else is what drives my beliefs.

END OF RANT:

I'm not going to bother argueing this anylonger. Cheaters are going to think that their style of play is ok untill enough people slap them in the head and show them otherwise (I won't be holding my breath). I don't have to put up with cheaters because the fields I play on BAN the people that cheat (one even bans for life). I just feel for the people that DO have to put up with this kind of garbage and wish Tyger well on whatever he endevers to do next.

**Brockocoli** · August 10th, 07:13 PM

i say you both have a point...if you don't want cheating and immorality...play rec and play with people of your skill level...if you like to wipe, overshoot, and play tournies, then do it...play with people who will do the same thing as you...

**2ffu** · August 10th, 08:16 PM

i say krazy zach is a ***** newb who will never make it in paintball.

[RANT] those who talk **** about refs, better not come to my field. i pull people and eat thier ass out. wipe/play on, expect to sit on your ass on the bench for a round. also if people shoot the **** out of me while i'm doing my job i just barrow a gun and bonus ball them during my break. i'm a nice ref that tries to make the fairest teams, makes sure everyone has a good time, but **** with me and i'll **** with you. [/RANT]

**bunkertime** · August 10th, 08:38 PM

i only read the last page

Tyger was a woodsball n00b w/ a mag and a warp feed.

He would DIE on any kind of speedball field

So would this krazy dude

w/e

**Krazy_Zack** · August 10th, 11:02 PM

[quote=2ffu]i say krazy zach is a ***** newb who will never make it in paintball.QUOTE]

Whatever.

Like I said before it's all just bull**** that I don;t have to put up with anyway. You "players" fight it out I don't need to.

**lovetocheat69** · August 10th, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 1337PAINTBALLER

Wow kids just wait until you play a real game of paintball. Wait until you hit up the tournament scene... just wait.

What the hell is this real paintball bull ****. Why do you think that playing tourneys is the only real way to play paintball? The only difference between rec and tourny is money, so whats your point. This is exactly the same as a the true baller crap. "Your only a true baller and playing real paintball if you play tourney ball." This thread has nothing to do with playing tourny ball anyway.

Edit: Stop with this cheating stuff too just because the tourney ballers have to do it and you cant change them. Money>people telling you that cheating is bad. The only cheating that really matters is the velocity ramping or cheating in rec.

**OaklandDogs187** · August 10th, 11:12 PM

Lovetocheat- Ok, you get the best team of recballers you can find, and we'll let them play Dynasty, or any other NXL/Pro team, and we'll see who wins.

That is why real paintball is tournaments. Its where the money is, its where the best paintballers are.

You can play a game of touch football in your back yard, but thats not real football, thats rec-football. Same with paintball.

You can play recball but thats not real paintball, tournaments are real paintball.

I'm sorry to all of you out there who think cheating is wrong, but when you pay money to play in tournaments, and you are being cheated against, you will cheat, unless you like giving away your money to get shot up by a guy you just shot out.

Brandon

**lovetocheat69** · August 10th, 11:26 PM

The best players play in the NFL but playing full contact with your friends isnt real football?

If if Rec is rec-paintball then tourny is tourny-paintball. It goes both ways.
They are both paintball no matter what way you put it.

**BAURblades** · August 11th, 12:42 AM

who cheats in a practice? that dosnt make sense.... i know everyone i play with dosnt cheat in practice, only in tournaments... aka "the super bowl" or what ever you wanna call it.

again, people are saying cheating is bad are people who have not played high stakes tournaments, or many local tournaments for that matter. the local tournament series neer me has EXCELLENT reffs, better than psp thats fer sure.... no cheatin at my local tourneys.

**128shot** · August 11th, 01:15 AM

I can't exactly play chess and cheat, and there is larger stakes on the table there....how much do you make at tournys? many of you can barely break even if that, and many times you can spend much more in hotels etc playing chess than you can playing paintball!

So how is paintball justified?

Makes me look totally geeky, but there you have it...

***smallerthanlife*** · August 11th, 01:32 AM

i only read the last page cuz im lazy. anyway, i think this argument is stupid. everyone has their opinions, everyone has a different situation and plays differently, so what? we all paintball.

first off: why cant rec and woodsballing be considered real paintball? its paintball isnt it. according to some of the above posts, very few ppl actually paintball. ha! correct me if im wrong, but when paintball was first invented, there was no such thing as tourney ball, or speed/x-ball. just because recballers dont cheat, play to win, and have expensive guns doesnt mean they suck. take hockey for example. ice hockey would be like speedball, roller and street like woods. theyre both hockey arent they? i dont see where you come across saying that woods and rec are "real" paintballing.

adressing the issue of tourneys and "winning". its the same as any sport. little league is real baseball isnt it? just cuz some kid isnt the best
doesnt make him less of a player, does it? sports were invented for people to have fun. theres such a thing as having fun and not "winning" to. "winning" is merely a concept. remember that.

shouldnt loving the sport be enough? i hate how paintball is getting so commercialized. ya i know, its needed to keep the sport going. but its getting to be like other sports: too much money involved. i play cuz i love it,not to win. if i wanna win, i can enter a tourney. but thats not what "paintball" is all about for me.

i dont have enough money to play all the time or be on a team and enter tourneys. i have a spyder shutter, if that tells you anything. most ppl are in similar situations. if i had the money, id play several times a week and enter tourneys, but i dont.

ramping, wiping, bonus balling, etc are basically like steroids in any other sport. it gets to a point where you cant compete if you dont do it. w/e, as long as you understand what your getting into and thats what you want, who cares? its not what i want, cheating sucks, but i dont care, i dont play that way. think about this. if no one cheated, it would be the same as if everyone cheated, wouldnt it?

at the end of the day, i care more about if i had fun. why the fuc* would i shell out so much money if i didnt? who cares where you play, how you play, who you play with, as long as you loved every moment of it. i cherish the memories paintball has given me. not just the times ive won. i get more out of any sport from losing than winning, people just dont understand that. its like life in general. learn from your mistakes. its not fun if your perfect.

oh, and btw barber: who cares if you win. good for you (i really mean that), but that doesnt make you any more of a paintballer than any of us. its about heart, not winning. nothing should ever be. and remember, the end doesnt justify the means.

EDIT: i just saw your sig, 128shot. all i can say is: exactly.

**1337** · August 11th, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lovetocheat69

What the hell is this real paintball bull ****. Why do you think that playing tourneys is the only real way to play paintball? The only difference between rec and tourny is money, so whats your point. This is exactly the same as a the true baller crap. "Your only a true baller and playing real paintball if you play tourney ball." This thread has nothing to do with playing tourny ball anyway.

Edit: Stop with this cheating stuff too just because the tourney ballers have to do it and you cant change them. Money>people telling you that cheating is bad. The only cheating that really matters is the velocity ramping or cheating in rec.

*Looks at your username*

**cb_neosythe** · August 11th, 04:36 AM

^^ good point i was curious about that....

alright on to my thoughts, i agree with the tourney guys and i'm a scenario rec baller. Honestly it won't hurt the sport because look at any MAJOR sport(football, baseball, soccer other ****) and there is minor forms of cheating out there. Does anyone say oh gee let's get back to the olden days no. It's competitive and understood to win you have to have edge and the will to win. Same wiht paintball you have to be willing to do what it takes for that win if you are in teh competitive scene. Now as a rec baller as well i must say if you cheat( wipe, overshoot, ramp, w/e ) you're a ***. Honestly why the hell at a rec game against a bunch of rentals would you need to do that. Or a scenario where you will be reinserted in 15 minutes. There is competion more amongst the scenario teams. But that is a honor thing and more of a status rather than money or material objects. So final point is rec and other forms of non tourney ball isn't meant for cheating. Tourney ball is... in fact i wouldn't consider it even major cheating. Ramping your dwell or other safety violations should be considered major cheating. It's two completely different worlds. I choose to say if you can't respect one or the other than just ignore it. If you are a woods baller no speedballer is gonna burn down your forest and stop you from playing. same with speedballers no woods baller is gonna poke holes in teh sup air fields. So just learn to agree to disagree and live on people. I'll be mostly doing rec. though i understand why a tourney balla would take the risk of a few wipes in a tourney to win say big cash or prizes.

**BAURblades** · August 11th, 04:51 AM

I <3 Paragraphs.

That is all.

**lovetocheat69** · August 11th, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 1337PAINTBALLER

*Looks at your username*

That was 2 years ago.

...and I lied.

**OaklandDogs187** · August 11th, 12:57 PM

What you guys need to understand is that in x-ball, what every good team should be playing, is that if you get caught cheating you get put in the penalty box and your tea