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Yeah.

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MedicDVG

I read more then you think...

Now.. here is my two cents.

The problem with out sport isn't marker vs. gun, it is the basic fact that we are using something that looks like traditional firearms to shoot each other. The general public looks upon this sport as a cross between war games, military training, and deliverance. Most soccer moms just go 'ugh' cause it is a 'violent' sport. Paintball won't change their minds if you call it gun or marker.

Now, what will make the sport better accepted? How about losing the attitudes, cheating, swearing, agg behavior and then we may have something. I just love how we try to sell this sport as friendly competition, team orineted, etc. and we show up on the field with "F**K those Guys" stenciled all over our gear... Where we see blatant cheating, screaming, bad language, poor sportsmanship etc. Yah, that will get the parents of the world behind the sport..

Anyway.. in terms of the original topic, call it a gun, call it a marker, call it persephone for all I care. Like most things in paintball it is personal choice. Just don't call it a Killa Gat in front of me... it makes you look stupid.

So no.. I am not changing the 'gun' in the forums titles.

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Couldn't agree more! You are EXACTLY correct.
Quit worrying about wording that has nothing to do with the image of the game and promote the positives of the sport.

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Trbo323

and why do you think those people dislike the sport? some of them have a problem with the safety aspect all they see is that we are shooting at eachother, it doesnt matter with what but the fact that we are aiming deliberatly at eachother is enough.

Im not talking about the people who have already made up their minds out there but take your adverage soccer mom who perhaps writes to her congressman every once in a while who has also never heard of paintball, if she hears its a "sport" and we are out there wih "guns" do you think she will let little Billy just go play? (granted theres some who dont care but most mothers are safety concious when it comes to the're children) Not to mention if he is going to a field she will have to sign a release form that has stuff like "serious injury and death" on it.

Call them what you want but i can tell you from experience if the sport is as safe as possible in the public eye it will really help it out

snipermonkey2

I didn't direct my words in the manor of saying you do or don't read what is posted. They were stated in hope that you would join this conversation.

As for cleaning up the language, I do agree with you on that and it would help our image.

I never asked to change the forum titles and it was not on my mind. pjmcbride brought that up idea up. The idea of this post wasn't ever aimed at attacking the choice of words this forums uses. It was merely to in gauge in a topic that I didn't see present. Now just because we all have different views doesn't mean we don't want the same things for this sport.

My personal view of using the word gun is that it is ok. Though I do make a point when talking to new players or people that are thinking about joining the sport that is also a marker, because it is a personal choice.

In short we agree to disagree.

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sNoW PIrAnHa

It IS as safe as possible. The people opposed to it are either ignorant or prejudiced. What we call it really doesn't make a difference because we still run around shooting at each other with either guns or markers. We're still shooting eachother.

Its possible he wasn't talking solely to you when he typed up his post. After all, joining the discussion would mean he responds to multiple statements from multiple people.

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snipermonkey2

"I read more then you think..."

I am pretty sure that it was written to me.

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Nikolai 77

Did she have a mask on? Was the pepper ball shot at under 300 fps?
I was saying paintball markers are safe as long as it's played with the proper safety equipment and regulations. When cops use weapons for crowd control, of course there's going to be a serious injury or death somewhere down the road, they're not handing out masks to rioters/ protestors/ demonstrators. They're shooting stuff into the crowds, sometimes as point blank range, and the people they're shooting at don't have the proper safety equipment to handle the given situation. It's different at a field in which markers are used in a recreational sport, the velocities are kept in check and safety equipment is a requirement.
No single weapon from a taser to a rubber bullet is "non-lethal." I was using the analogy of cops and military training in my post as an example of safe versus non-safe usage of markers and airsoft. I know for a fact that projectiles fired from markers or any other apparatus for that matter have the potential to kill if they hit a human body in the right place, that's why we wear masks on fields in the first place. If paintballs could bounce off our eyes with no problem, we wouldn't need to wear masks, now would we? But alas, I don't see cops handing out masks before shooting people. That's why they become so dangerous.
I think for recreation, it should be called a paintball marker, and for uses of suppression/ usage by police it should be referred to as a paintball gun. To me, such vernacular is fitting.

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Trbo323

it doesnt matter, niether does the fact that it wasnt on a field, all the public sees is a paintball marker and a dead body, the fact that the police called these a "non-lethal" alternitive and the fact that now someone is dead because of it is enoufgh to get your safty concious civilian thinking paintball is dangerous. I had acually not heard about this story through public news and if it didnt get very far then im glad, we all should know that this is VERY rare and in fact the first time anyone has died from being shot but someone who is not as heavy into paintball as we are does not know that. there are 2 deaths related to playing the sport and now 1 that is outside the playing arena, but all things concidered think about how many people play each year,

but im beating a dead horse i know.

Nikolai 77

No doubt it's statistically low, and no doubt that the generally uneducated public is stupid and doesn't know any better.

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