So I was on Pbnation...(ya i know) and saw the .50 forum.
Got me thinking, what are the chances that they'll make .50 standard? It seems like companies are already preparing, like PE, spyder, and SP(imp already .50 ready)
Hmmm it seems Luxe is going to offer some kind of trade in or something for the .50 cal
and DP is making a conversion kit for the g3 already.
Don't seem like to much of a bad thing depending on the price. It might go further do to weight change and your pods, caddies and loaders will hold more shots. It sounds like it will make things a little interesting. On the downside I don't want to have to spend more money on barrels I love my kit.
The one thing that i don't like about it is that its less paint on people. We already have enough cheaters in the game, this will make it easier to cheat and as a pump player.. i'm not a fan.
ya the marker seems pretty simple, insert in the breach and a new barrel and bolt. now the hopper on the other hand, i dont see a simple way of converting hoppers, people would need all new hoppers
i wont support it, i have no problem with .68
i dont see a huge advantage to them, if shooting at 300fps we will see a performance drop with the .5 cal but a efficancy increase, if shooting at faster speeds we will lessen the performance drop but be using more air and impact force will be roufghly the same. to me it seems like someone is trying to start this movement to get people to buy new products not because it will be "better" in any way shape for form than .68
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Last edited by Trbo323 : October 15th at 12:34 AM.
I posted this on pbn and thought I'd share with you guys
In the impulse thread:
"There's quite a bit of misinformation going around on both sides. And the videos and smart parts tests are far from unbiased or even scientifically sound tests. With so many factors that affect accuracy even between two paintball guns of the same caliber its hard to compare two of different calibers in any meaningful way. Especially with biased youtube videos and ads.
In reality I think they're doing this to have people buy more markers. I imagine with the recession and all that they're losing sales.
.50 definitely does have an advantage when it comes to size, amount of paint to weight ratios, and efficiency. The problem is that paintballs are inaccurate enough as it is, and reducing weight makes them more susceptible to wind, reducing accuracy at longer ranges. Also when factoring in air resistance if shot at the same velocity, the .68 caliber paintball would go further.
Personally I don't think it would be a problem to have both on the market without one outcompeting the other. We'd probably see .50 in use by the beginners and cheaper market and .68 in the tournament/old school (for lack of a better word) market.
It will be interesting to see how they work this out.
Oh yea, and to all you people saying that companies can just create insert kits and you can use the same guns. Thats ridiculous, a kit for an already existing gun including .50 barrel, bolt, breech, etc would not be cheap (unless it had a breech system like an ion). It would be far easier to design a multi caliber gun or just a dedicated .50 caliber one."
Eclipse thread:
"I like the insert idea but its not practical on a lot of guns for many reasons.
The barrel honestly looks ridiculous.
What I don't understand is how you can switch from .68 to .50 cal without experiencing a huge increase in FPS. If all the regs are the same and you switch the insert parts, and use a ball thats half as light its going to go a lot faster.
I'm still torn on this .50 cal issue. I never saw a problem with .68 cal."
Again from eclipse thread:
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Not to mention lighter / smaller paintballs will make contact with less force which = less "pain" for new players.
This is why airsoft pellets out of any sort of high end airsoft gun hurt like the dickens.
There's no physics formula for pain, but generally speaking the energy it transfers doesn't equate to how much pain there is. Compare sitting on a chair to sitting on a tack. Same force (your ass + gravity) but vastly different pain levels.
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Lower regs = softer paint delivery systems = more brittle paint can now be shot.
Tell me how that goes when your hpr is at 60 and your lpr is at 20. Your dwell would have to be insane to compensate for the valve spring. Which is another problem, you're decreasing the weight in the bolt."
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After seeing these charts, i'm not entirely sure why people are jumping on the bandwagon. Smart parts sure is trying to lead he way and is investing quite a bit of money into this. They just made a freak barrel system for them as well.
I'm totally against it. In fact, I'm far enough against it if it ever manages to become the standard while I'm still playing, I will no longer bother playing paintball. I'd rather quit than switch to .50 cal. It's just a bunch of companies idea to try to wring more money out of us than they already have. Sorry, no dice for me.
Yeah I agree, also some budget ballers feel that its no need to pay 500+ dollars on a marker when the low ends can keep up which can stagnate their sells. Face it the sport can get extremly pricy now to the point where I play once a week just because of admissions 25$+, paint 35$+ and a 45min+ ride (Gas). I think thats ruthless to change the standard by such a large margin that you have to buy new markers, hoppers and barrels.
Im not going to bash anything yet, im waiting to see how the .50 cal turns out first.
But the sucky thing is people will have to buy new markers and kits, and they can't be cheap....
Facefull had a nice big article talking about .50 cal. The reason I'm against .50cal is 1) I don't have the money to switch my gear over 2) it isn't going to shoot as well (range is less, through the flight is flatter so no lobbing) 3) for farther shots the paint will have less energy and will not break easily
You want to know the real reason they are going for .50cal? Money is the right answer. However we aren't the real target. A .50 cal paintball is lighter and has a lower kinetic energy and is not classified as a lethal weapon in countries like Japan and Germany. That's where they want to get their sales from. We're just along for the ride.
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Facefull had a nice big article talking about .50 cal. The reason I'm against .50cal is 1) I don't have the money to switch my gear over 2) it isn't going to shoot as well (range is less, through the flight is flatter so no lobbing) 3) for farther shots the paint will have less energy and will not break easily
You want to know the real reason they are going for .50cal? Money is the right answer. However we aren't the real target. A .50 cal paintball is lighter and has a lower kinetic energy and is not classified as a lethal weapon in countries like Japan and Germany. That's where they want to get their sales from. We're just along for the ride.
Wow, lethal weapon? Even in commiefornia I can walk in to Big 5 with $260 and 10 days later I'll have a shotgun. Anyway, maybe they are trying to expand the European market more, and that would make sense but we still have a huge market here. So I think rather than them just making .50 cal guns to get the European and Asian markets, they're trying to get more money from the American market at the same time. The reason is no different, just more incentive.
Also the red part is only true if the .50 cal is brought up to a higher velocity.
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One thing that really bugs me is the manufacturers saying how paint will be cheaper and players can carry more of it. Yeah like more paint in the air will make for a better game. Paint is already cheaper than it ever was and everyone wants to know where the growth went. When paint was twice the price it is now paintball was one of the fastest growing games on the planet. Correlation doesn't always equal causation but I think it is something to think about.
if they are trying to expand the euorpean market sure but i highly doubt this will take off over here, fields would drop like flies if they switched to .5 overnight, nobody would come to them, and if they run a split of .5 and .68 it would still hurt buisness, since i dont see you being able to run both in the same game, if your running .5 cal to get the same distance you would have to be shooting above 300fps which would be an advantage to those people useing .5, if .5s are being shot at 300fps they have a range disadvantage so icant see them being used in the same game which would hurt buisness since you couldnt then play with anyone who shows up, you could only play with those who are using your caliber
if theres anyway we can get the word out to people that .5 is bogus we should
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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy
I'm not going to lie if I were rich and famous I'd be running people over with my car all the damn time.
blue to black dm6
hyper 3
top hat mod
laser eyes
CP flow plug
32 degrees drop forward (yes i like my drop forwards)
cp micro on/off asa
deadly winds 14" fibur barrel with full freak
Dye rotor with speed feed
centerflag 68/4500 with on/off
.50 cal?
