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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Absolute newbie looking for the right marker

Hi everyone, I just played my first rounds of paintball on Sunday, and found it was the biggest blast I had had in ages, and am itching to get into this new to me sport.
So- this all still leaves me without a marker! I have zero technical knowledge of the different features of markers. All of the information leaves me feeling honestly a bit baffled- from what I have gathered, the prices range from around 100 bucks all the way up to 2000, with many saying that after 500 or so, you start to get diminishing returns. What I would love to have is- reliable and easy to repair (I like playing, and not sitting around taking apart and fixing stuff), great accuracy and range, not too much noise and kick. Thing is, I don't even know to what extent these features can be had together. I guess my price ceiling is 1000 bucks- I would suppose that I can get a lot of marker for that kind of money.
Can someone give me some tips on what I should be looking for?
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Old November 27th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old November 27th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What type of paintball do you want to play? Speedball, woodsball or having the ability to play both with the same marker? If you are into milsim, there is plenty of options of play, from pump, mech and electrical to bolt action one shot. Most speedball markers will have the same characteristics and abilities more or less. Tell us about your style of play, what you'd like to do while playing - whether it is aggressive play or stealth or what?

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Old November 27th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Actually, I guess I should have placed "versatility" on the list. Stealth (by which I guess you mean quietness?) would be a nice bonus... Anyways, where I played so far involved teams of around twenty facing off against each and taking cover behind wooden spools and big sections of corrugated plastic pipe. With the lines of fire there, it was possible to sneak up unnoticed and start shooting people in the back.
What is speedball? I guess milsim is military simulation?
And I keep reading about guns that shoot 15 or more balls a second- the Tippmann rental ones were pretty loud, gravity fed, and semi-automatic. Are these rapid-fire guns reliable over a long period of time?
Sorry for so many questions, I really don't know what is out there and want to get what's right for me!
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Old November 27th, 2012, 07:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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sorry man but a tippmann will preform worst than about any regular paintball/speedball gun over $150
the speedball gun will be lighter, more maneuverable, shoot better, quieter, shoot smoother and will have a nicer stock trigger
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Old November 27th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah, I noticed how much better the high quality guns performed than the standard Tippmann ones- I was just pointing out that that was what I rented, not something I'd like to have for myself.
Can someone give me a concrete recommendation on some specific speedball markers?
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Old November 27th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Start with a low end marker first, so you can learn, and not accidently screw up a mid/high end marker by mistake.

Honestly, if you're playing with people who rent, there's no need to over power them; paintball is much more fun if everyone is on the same level of firepower.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i reccomend a spyder fenix, azodin blitz or the gog enmy/envy
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Empire Axe, or Invert Mini as a starter gun would be a good starter. Etek's are also a nice little starter gun - plus you can pump them . All can be had for a nice price used!
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Empire Axe, or Invert Mini as a starter gun would be a good starter. Etek's are also a nice little starter gun - plus you can pump them . All can be had for a nice price used!
these are all terrible terrible suggestions, mini and axe (really the same marker internally) do things their own unique way and to be honest, there are not many people out there who know how to honestly diagnose issues with them because they work so backwards of the rest of the industry. etek on the other hand is a high end and can be a little finiky if you dont know what you are going. it is easy to do something like adjust the LPR and then the marker is leaking but you can not figure out why and in reality its just that you have the LPR too high or too low to the marker is venting.

even though you have a great budget to start with, i say start with the entry level stuff, you can still get great performance on a marker that is extremely simple and easy to learn on.

read the guide i put together if you have not already, i put it together exactly for players like yourself. since you have a nice budget I suggest the azodin blitz and a 4500psi HPA tank. blitz is a great marker to learn on, compared to the tippmann you used, it will be lighter, shorter, probably around the same sound signature and kick, blitz has eyes so you should not have any chopped paintballs as well as an e-frame so the trigger pull will be much shorter and much lighter along with being a double trigger so you can walk it.

given the same paint and barrel and while shooting at a field specified velocity, no marker is more accurate or has more range than any other marker

hope that helps, welcome to the sport, we are happy to have you here
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Old November 28th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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these are all terrible terrible suggestions, mini and axe (really the same marker internally) do things their own unique way and to be honest, there are not many people out there who know how to honestly diagnose issues with them because they work so backwards of the rest of the industry. etek on the other hand is a high end and can be a little finiky if you dont know what you are going. it is easy to do something like adjust the LPR and then the marker is leaking but you can not figure out why and in reality its just that you have the LPR too high or too low to the marker is venting.

even though you have a great budget to start with, i say start with the entry level stuff, you can still get great performance on a marker that is extremely simple and easy to learn on.

read the guide i put together if you have not already, i put it together exactly for players like yourself. since you have a nice budget I suggest the azodin blitz and a 4500psi HPA tank. blitz is a great marker to learn on, compared to the tippmann you used, it will be lighter, shorter, probably around the same sound signature and kick, blitz has eyes so you should not have any chopped paintballs as well as an e-frame so the trigger pull will be much shorter and much lighter along with being a double trigger so you can walk it.

given the same paint and barrel and while shooting at a field specified velocity, no marker is more accurate or has more range than any other marker

hope that helps, welcome to the sport, we are happy to have you here
What do you mean not many people know how to work on Mini's and Axe's??? One of the most popular markers out right now, sported by many pro teams....pretty sure there is a tech around that can help if there is any problems. Even I can tech them and I don't shoot electro's much anymore. An Etek is NOT a high end gun - at most it is a mid-range shooter, and again, they are not difficult to tech. I can't justify buying an extreme low end to start out - jump in and by a used Mid-Range (at a low end price) and go to work!
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If an ego is a high end gun, why not an etek? its the same thing operationally.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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What do you mean not many people know how to work on Mini's and Axe's??? One of the most popular markers out right now, sported by many pro teams.

who are paid to shoot whatever marker is placed in their hands, hell, you could pay them to shoot a BE stingray, then would you be suggesting someone buy it because a "pro" uses it?


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pretty sure there is a tech around that can help if there is any problems.
pretty sure? you live around him? i owned a mini for about 3 years, nobody near me had any idea about the, sure, they knew they existed and a few others owned them but nobody knew the first thing about them, heck i ran into a field owner who seemed to know quite a lot, more than most field owners anyway, who thought the mini was a spool valve marker. if i needed o-rings most fields would dig into their stash of standard sized rights without a moments thought to the fact that the mini and axe all use custom sized rings that have to be purchased through empire (or someone empire sells them to) o and btw, go rebuild the regulator on those, whats that? o ya, you cant. you have to send it to empire. why would suggest a marker to a new player that is A) designed back-asswards from the rest of the industry, B) uses custom sized o-rings and C) has a non-servicable regulator all to a player who is new to the sport and does not know how to work on the simpilist of markers?

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An Etek is NOT a high end gun - at most it is a mid-range shooter, and again, they are not difficult to tech. I can't justify buying an extreme low end to start out - jump in and by a used Mid-Range (at a low end price) and go to work!
eteks are high end, they are duel regulated EP poppets with most internal parts being able to be swapped out with ego parts. im not saying the egos are not better but fundamentally both markers function identically and are much much more similar than different i never said they are difficult to tech but likewise you may own a very simple car but still have to send it into the mechanic to get it fixed. they are simple to teck...for someone who knows how to tech them, new players however, do not. and however easy they are to tech they are also very easy to mess up. between dwell, HPR and LPR there is a lot to mess up. how do you explain to a new player that his marker's valve is having the submarine door effect and that is why he can not increase his velocity? seen it happen, could not explain it properly, i had to fix the marker myself, but again, how many people on an average day even know what the submarine door effect on a poppet marker even is at a given field much less how to fix it?

look at it this way, the blitz i suggested will be around $150, will easily be able to manage 15bps if needed to, has eyes, has a regulator, all of which is simple and serviceable, has an adjustable double trigger. all of these things are parts that are expected on a mid range or high end, so why get something more complicated than it needs to be and spend more money starting out when you dont have to? not to mention down the road if he decides he wants to pick up something else the blitz will make a great backup. it also gives him the ability to pick up any barrel or barrel kit he chooses and having about a 90% chance that that barrel will be able to be used on whatever he gets next
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Yep, any of the PE line from 05 and up except the geo line you can pump.

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add a pump handle, connecting arm to the bolt and remove the bolt pin so the ram can function independently
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