Trbo323

check it out

New Gun Design: J4 Paintball - mcarterbrown.com

anyone heard of J4 paintball? I never have. i am interested to see this thing though my only question is if it is balanced or unbalanced

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huckduck

as stated in that thread by someone else, first thing that came to mind with the silhouette was a creed

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martix_agent

It's being made by people who know what they're doing as well. I don't expect this to blow up, but I also don't expect it to tank like the last few new companies who popped up.

They've made a few hints that the LPR is either hidden from sight, or is going to be unnecessary.

Oh and there's a new balanced spool valve that should come out soon. It's being made by a reputable company and is supposed to be priced around $800. I can't tell you anything else.

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tlmiller

First thing for me was an 09 Impulse. Neat how they're doing a stacked spool. I see it being the worst of both worlds though. You've got the upper chamber making the marker taller, but still aren't going to get the kind of efficiency you can get off a full stacked poppet like the G6R. While I'll want to shoot it if it ever comes to light, "meh" is the phrase that mostly comes to mind when I think about it.

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Trbo323

the 2 images they have released are weird, first off they are not the same marker (compare the snatch block and front of the upper tube) and second there are not enough o-ring grooves in the cut away, it would leak like a sieve if that is all there is but that aside, just from that cut out I am not seeing a spool seal anywhere

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martix_agent

As the story goes, those images were released at multiple times in the development. They had to change some things to make it work.

mechanical dwell is another interesting concept.

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Trbo323

ya i like the idea of the hall effects to take over dwell timing. great idea

gas through grip....now I lost about 95% of my interest, no drop forward....

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martix_agent

get over it. it's the future. you want a tight setup? get a smaller tank.

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Trbo323

its not the same

i also hate how everything is becoming "stock parts and stock parts only"

kinda looses some style if you ask me if every single marker is going to end up being the exact same with a different barrel and color

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Max07

I though you partly hated the Mini for not being stock.

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I was wrong again, Paradigms do have mid-end internals, but they are not even near good enough to justify its enormous price.

That Dye DAM, is to damn sexy, and to damn expensive

Crawdaddy

I totally agree. I miss the days of true PL markers and enough aftermarket parts to damn near build a complete marker. Now it's getting to be one size fits all and I feel like you sort of lose part of the experience of playing when your marker isn't so much your marker as it is the marker you bought and are using...if that makes any sense.

Trbo323

for not being stock? im lost as to what you are getting at

im not a huge fan of how you really can not do a whole lot to it, one of the other reasons i got rid of mine. granted there are a few more parts out there for it today but really, theres not a lot you can do to it so if you look at something like the mini owners club thread, all the photos are the exact same with a different color

ya it does, PL milling is expensive so i feel like that really killed the PL markers not to mention with patents flying around everywhere now a days its probably fairly difficult to produce a PL marker

but really this is one of the reasons besides drops that I am not a fan of all the gas through grip markers, you can not swap around ASAs and regulators anymore and nobody makes aftermarket ones either. If someone came out with a standard design i think that would go a long way towards getting back to this but personally i would rather keep a 6" length of hose rather than loose the ability to swap parts around and adjust things to my own liking

part of me is excited that people are still trying to do something different like J4 seems to be doing but another part of me thinks paintballs hayday is over and in reality markers have gotten so complex that it is making it more and more difficult for aftermarket companies to make any real improvements, gone are the days when $30 could get you some new part to try out, now if you want something better you have to make it yourself

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Pro_paintball

I have to agree i love a gun that i can change this and tinker with that. I need a new high end gun that has private label bodies, a macro line, and has the ability to change everything on it, and there are multiple aftermarket parts for it that are all different

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dprimmy

You're singing my song...as is everyone else on this forum.

When I stepped back into paintball, I was expecting it to be just as I'd left it. You get a marginal marker for $400-700, and then go out and pick up upgrades and tinker with it until you get a combination of things that make it shoot the way you want it to - at $15-30/upgrade.


When I bought my Etek... I realized there was a Zick2...and a bolt.. and a trigger that's not too much different.

When I got my Reflex Rail - there was a trigger with a slightly different shape...and... a bolt that's said to reduce LPR pressure on an unbalanced spool valve marker.

but alas... gone are the days of independent companies manufacturing 400 different bolts for a poppet valve marker from 6 different materials..all trying to be lighter or more efficient than the last.... Gone are the days of adding up your bottom tube component gram weight to see just how close to the "choice" weight you are.

.... But... we all still look forward to Sunday...and I guess that's all that matters.

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martix_agent

Remember the ION? You could do whatever you wanted to it, but it was still an ION. As i recall, you could actually turn them into a pretty decent shooter, if you replaced all the parts on it.

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tlmiller

I don't think anyone made aftermarket noids for them, although I might be wrong and am too lazy to check. Other than that, I know everything else had aftermarket parts made.

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martix_agent

there were aftermarket boards. The boards had the solenoid built into them

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tlmiller

Yeah, but did anyone actually use a DIFFERENT noid? To my knowledge they all used the reference noid, I know Virtue and Ape did.

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Pro_paintball

I had a dynasty one that i got for like $120 in 07 or so. When it worked it was actually quite fun to play with but it was still an ion. I couldnt stand how people would take an ion and put 300 into a 300 dollar gun, but thats my opinion, if i didnt get a good deal on the dynasty i would have never bought one.

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tlmiller

With some of the nicer BOB bodies that also had cocker threading, they shot REALLY nice. If I had found one for sale before I got tired of having so many markers, I would have gladly bought one used that had a nice looking cocker breach body, L7 bolt, QEV, decent feedneck and trigger.

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