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farmboy458 · February 23rd, 2013, 12:27 PM

i havent played in years and really wanna get back into it i use to have a full auto spyder e99..now im looking to buy a new gun and half the companys i remember i dont even see around....i play alot of homemade courses and woods ball no competition... what would be a good gun brand to look at i wanna spend around 200-300 on a gun...thanks

farmboy458 · February 23rd, 2013, 01:01 PM

no body?

**snowboarder599** · February 23rd, 2013, 01:28 PM

This isn't a heavily trafficed forum, so have a little patientce. Honestly, you should go used. Do you have any other gear? If not, look at the Spyder/Azodin markers. You can pick them up used for a decent price, and they are very simple to work on, and maintain.

***martix_agent*** · February 23rd, 2013, 02:16 PM

if you're just playing int eh woods, a spyder may be all that you need. I assume you dont' have access to co2; a used smart parts vibe my be good thing to look into. it's smoother and more consistent than a spyder.

ShortBus · February 23rd, 2013, 06:38 PM

Or a brand new GOG enemy...haven't seen one before but from what I've read they aren't all that bad. $130 or so.

If it were me buying a new gun for doing what you suggest, I would go for a Hammer 7 - it a mag fed or hopper fed, FS or .68, it a pump...and it rocks. If pump wasn't my thing, I'd pick up an Automag, there are some pretty decent Mags for around that price.

**Trbo323** · February 24th, 2013, 11:11 AM

if you are used to the spyders and were happy with them, no reason to switch, the new stuff will have some advances over the older stuff. look into a fenix new or used (if used just make sure you are not getting the 90s version, they have used the name before) runs fine on co2 although I would suggest having an AS tube installed in a CO2 tank ($15-$20 at a shop usually, do not do these on your own)

***Crooked Shot*** · February 24th, 2013, 12:57 PM

Trbo. Just curious why should you not install a as tube on your own?

***martix_agent*** · February 24th, 2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Crooked Shot

Trbo. Just curious why should you not install a as tube on your own?

If you understand how to do it, and use the proper tools it's fine. Most paintballers don't have access to these things, and it's just abou the same price to have a local shop do it for them as it would be to do it yourself.

heavygunner29 · February 24th, 2013, 03:55 PM

well if you are playing woodsball, personaly i have had more luck with tippmans than spyders. they are pretty much indestructable. there only problem is they are beasts. big, bulky, and consume air like crazy. nonetheless i love them still. my first gun was tippman and i still have it good condition and barely any maintenance has been done to it. i would recommend the 98 custom or A5, if you want to fire faster you can buy double triggers and E-grips, an E-grip has several different firing modes including: semi auto, 3 ball burst, 5 ball burst, and full auto. unfortunatly (or maybe fortunatly depending on how you look at it) for i believe all modes except semi auto, you need to pull the trigger i think three times before the mode kicks in, (it could also be a certain speed you need to reach, i forget) definetly recomending a tippmann personaly, there overall pretty nice guns and there very good for someone getting into woodsball. oh and also there is hundreds of dollars worth of extra upgrades for them both just for looks and performance as well.

**Trbo323** · February 25th, 2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Crooked Shot

Trbo. Just curious why should you not install a as tube on your own?

because the 2 deaths in our sport have come from when someone installed these in their own garage and did it wrong. $15-$20 is a small price to pay to make sure it is done right and you wont have your tank turn into a rocket and possibly kill someone.

can it be done at home? Sure, I have done one. But just as a rule of thumb I like to tell people to have a shop do it because you know they are a qualified air tech who has the right tools and experience to do this right, the majority of players who are using CO2 are also new to the sport so they dont have the experience to do these right (I am not saying they WILL do these wrong but the chances are much higher)

to be really honest though, the industry as a whole needs to re-design the thread system on co2 tank valves (and hpa tanks really) the current system is just a threaded shaft the whole length into the tank. in reality it needs to be threads, then a space without threads, then threads again because if that were the case and you are un-threading the valve rather than the ASA the tank would come off the first section of threads and then vent all of the co2 in the tank out but not turn into a rocket because it has not cleared the second set of threads

***martix_agent*** · February 25th, 2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Trbo323

because the 2 deaths in our sport have come from when someone installed these in their own garage and did it wrong. $15-$20 is a small price to pay to make sure it is done right and you wont have your tank turn into a rocket and possibly kill someone.

can it be done at home? Sure, I have done one. But just as a rule of thumb I like to tell people to have a shop do it because you know they are a qualified air tech who has the right tools and experience to do this right, the majority of players who are using CO2 are also new to the sport so they dont have the experience to do these right (I am not saying they WILL do these wrong but the chances are much higher)

to be really honest though, the industry as a whole needs to re-design the thread system on co2 tank valves (and hpa tanks really) the current system is just a threaded shaft the whole length into the tank. in reality it needs to be threads, then a space without threads, then threads again because if that were the case and you are un-threading the valve rather than the ASA the tank would come off the first section of threads and then vent all of the co2 in the tank out but not turn into a rocket because it has not cleared the second set of threads

new regulators have a relief slot built into them for this exact reason.

**Trbo323** · February 25th, 2013, 06:26 PM

they do? news to me, but good for the industry

***martix_agent*** · February 25th, 2013, 06:39 PM

smartest thing they've ever done. It'll scare the living crap out of you if you somehow unscrew the tank from the regulator with air in it, but it won't take off like a rocket.

**Trbo323** · February 25th, 2013, 06:46 PM

made its way into CO2 tanks yet?

edit:

http://www.ansgear.com/Universal_CO2...ementvalve.htm

sure looks like they have, maybe I will have to revise that statement then

tlmiller · February 25th, 2013, 06:47 PM

I want to say it has. I'm pretty sure I've seen them recently at the one field and they had that.

**Crawdaddy** · February 25th, 2013, 07:41 PM

Those new valves suck for those of us trying to make a siphon tank.

**Trbo323** · February 26th, 2013, 01:51 PM

hmm, ya the hole in the side would make that hard, guess it would also make an anti-siphon hard as well since the liquid could still enter through that hole

here is the solution

Trinity Co2 Tank Valve with On/Off - Brass

its an on/off but it has a slot along the threads not a hole so you can still create a siphon/anti-siphon and still have that measure of safety when unscrewing your tank