ezmonet

Well just joined the forum and wanted to make a post.

I used to own a Paintball shop in the early 90's and that went under and I stopped playing after that (when I playes last air fed markers were unheard of). One of my regular customers looked me up and gave me a Autococker and I have the bug again.

What has changed in the last 11 years .

Its an Armson(mod?) with a power feed, stock ram, reg, and 3 way. I managed to get a used WGP swing, a drop forward, Airamerica regulator, Armson barrel, and a Viewloader.

What I am looking for are things to make it accurate and reliable. I am sure that it can spit out 5 - 10 bps but I can't get it going that fast yet, so speed will come later.

Things that I am looking at right now an normal equipment are..
- Crossfire 68/4500
- Dye Invision
- Dye 3 or 4 pod fanny pack (pod? used to be called guppies, hehehe)
- Dye Pods..seem to get the best reviews.

Is there anything else that anyone can think of that I should put on my list?
Are there any websites that you can suggest for timing my Autococker? I used to know how and now its more complicated it seems.

Thanks
Ez

MuddinPede_98C

Sounds good. You'll love the mask. Might want to pick up a battle swab (squeegee), whatever kind of oil cockers use (cocker forum), and I think that's it.

Welcome back to paintballing, I'm sure you'll find it greater than ever.

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LookOverThere

Now hp isnt the only one who can give us info from way back.. but he has 11 yrs, that he missed out on..

sumsimpleracer

your in luck, i know quite a few sites for timing because i jsut got an autococker myself and learning how to time it.

http://www.endlesspb.com/tech/timing.html
http://www.ottersccustoms.com/ac-timing.html

and to make things a little funner, heres a game to help you out
http://www.accesswave.ca/~devon/timi...MINGMXv11.html

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ezmonet

My first gun was a WGP Rander and it had a slam fire and everything. I picked up a large 75 round hopper. I was the talk amongst all my friends. Got pounded later that day by peeps with Phantoms.....

I think that I am going to like being back....
Thanks guys for the warm welcome.
Ez

Tedrzz

Yea man, welcome to the forums. It's always cool to talk to an old-schooler about paintball along time ago.

If you are bigger guy, then I hear the V-Force Profilers work better for bigger heads. http://www.xpaintball.com/vfprgo.html . I would rather have Profiler over a DYE Invision because the Profiler has a HUGE lense (not too big, so it is a huge target). I can see more when I wear the Profiler over any other goggle system.

Ted

P.S. Since www.paintballforum.com is owned by www.xpaintball.com we can't advertise other online websites, so if you find a new part for your cocker from a different site, keep it on the downlow.

Fastecho419

Wow. this is great to see an old school player back in buisness! Man... 75 holdin' hoppers... that's so long ago. It's like the prehistory of paintballing.

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autocockerocker

Great to see yah back, this is just another time where it proves you can never leave paintball.
Oh by the way that game thing was great!

ezmonet

You want old school....

First time I played was with a Splatmaster. 12 gram CO2 that gets screwed into the grip and 10 rounds 0? (yes 10 round) tubes crammed into a spot over the barrel. Between shots you had to cock it by pushing in this black thing on the back on the gun above the grip. You guys talk about balls per second now, it used to be balls per minute. The whole gun was made of plastic.

BTW...
Whats with the damn inflatible barriers?

hehehe,
Ez

HP_lovecraft

I've been playing steady since the mid 80s, and I personally don't think much has changed.
Now, when I say that, people go "What? Are you crazy?". But the basic fundementals have remained the same. Here are some small differences:

1- Tournaments and Fields switching over from woodsball to speedball, because it costs LESS to run, and makes MORE money. Most tournaments are now speedball-formats, which is probobly the biggest change. Speedball was a gimmick 11 years ago. Now it is main-stream.
Thats why you see "inflatable bunkers". It costs LESS to setup, and can be done quicker. TIME as always EQUALS MONEY. And money rules the sport more then ever.


#1 is the only "Big" difference. Here are some smaller ones:

#2 - Most mid/high level guns are fully electronic. The main difference being the mechanical trigger is replaced with a super-light mouse-click. The main benefit being able to fire faster, along with more control over the functions of the gun.

#3 - Most mid/high level guns run on HPA, as the price has become affordable. All low/mid guns still run CO2, and is still the most popular gas. I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.

#4 - Yes, the guns fire a little faster. Most people could shoot 7-8bps 11 years ago. Now, most people can shoot 10-12bps. A small change, but helped by the REMOVAL of the force-feed ban in 2001, which meant that you could fire STREAMS of 10-12bps without worrying about chopping a ball.

#5 - Cheating is widespread, and a major problem. CHeating, of course, has always been a problem since paintball works on the honor-system. But the switch to electronic guns has meant it is EXTREMELY EASY to have elaborate cheat modes that are virtually impossible to detect.

Otherwise, not much has changed.
A typical newbie, with a generic Tippmann or Spyder, who goes to an average woodsball ball, would see NO DIFFERENCE between 2004 or 1995. All the tactics and styles have remained unchanged.

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ezmonet

I watched a speedball game at local field last week and noticed that everyone seems to find a place to camp and thats it. When I played speed ball it was shoot and move. Has this changed as well with the high rate of fire? (my store was in an indoor field so I played alot of speedball). I used to be pretty good at doing that with my local field I would take 7 moderate players on and walk out of there victorious more times than not.

How do you cheat with an electronic gun? I would be more worried about wiping, which has always been pretty widespread (11 years ago anyway).

What pitfalls should I stay away from now? (remember USI hehehehe)
Got any good gun advice? Barrel suggestions? Does replacing the ram, reg, 3 way matter anymore? How about the bolt? What happened to the pnumatic covers on Autocockers?

Sorry if its rambling, but I have the bug bad and want to try to get up to speed again.

Thanks for all the time guys!!
Ez

HP_lovecraft

Its not the rate of fire, but the playing style. Teams will carry tons of paint, and fire accoss the field, between the bunkers (called lanes), in hopes of having another playing run into it. This style was impossible with large, woodsball tournaments, but was development as speedball fields became TINY, and you could easily shoot the length of the field creating "kill zones".
It makes for VERY BORING GAMES, but the sponsors, which are paint companies, make lots of money.

Trigger is just an electronic switch that sends a single to a computer chip. Then the computer chip tells the gun to fire. Simple?
Well, cheaters have reprogrammed chips to fire multiple-shots per trigger pull, but only when firing a certain speed, to make it hard to detect.
Also, some guns my RISE in FPS when rapid-firing. Again, hard to detect. There is a whole variety of cheat modes. It has become SO widespread that some tournaments use sophisticated ROBOTS to chrono in guns to try and find these hidden cheat modes.
That scariest thing of all, is many FACTORY GUNS now come with cheat modes. This fact alone might get electros banned from future tournaments one day.

Well, most "garage" companies have folded from pressure from the new "mega-companies" like K2, SP, and TPI. The kills variety, but also means that most products are of decent quality these days.

I personally don't think barrels make a different, but I'd buy a Lapco if you held a gun to my head. Good guns are cheap these days. A $350 BKO or TES will perform just as well as a $1500 "super gun". Even those $100 electro-spyder wonder-guns were VERY well out of the box.

People took off the covers because they wanted to show off the aftermarket reg, ram and 3-way they purchased. In truth, the aftermarket parts are NO BETTER. They are mostly cosmetic, so the cover is usually the first thing to go.
If you like cockers, it seems the "big" upgrade is to convert it to electro. It means you can fire MUCH faster, and have an uber-light trigger, without all the timing/short-stroke headaches that plague the stock cocker.

-Nick

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ezmonet

Thanks. That helps out quite a bit.

I think that I will stick with what I have for now. I never liked the Armson barrels so I will change that and leave the rest the same.

Wish me luck on the first game next week. I will post how it went

Ez

Zidane

Welcome to the forums. Hope you have a good time next week.

Cerebeus

Hehe one old schooler talking to another. Nice posts Nick.

When I play speedball I do try to move around and stay aggressive. If you watch people newer to speedball they tend to stay put because they're afraid of the high ROF... but if you watch the pros, you'll see them move around, bunker, and use their skill to find the best angle to hit an opposing player. Watching newbie speedballers is like watching grass grow. Watching the pros isn't always like that.

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themainevent

hmm, you must have been whatching some newbies or sumthing, I'm always moving, and the games are always intense and exciting, go front players

hunt15

al right we got someone who can give us info on old school stuff welcome back to paintball and welcome to the forum


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Charger

lol my gun does that but its not reprogrammed i think it ****ed up lol if i hold the trigger right i can shoot 4 with one pull lol it makes me mad becuse its only made to be able to shot one per pull lol i shot way more then i want some times but i cant control that lol

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bob005

welcome back to paintball man. as for those kiddies that didn't move, they were noobs. only noobs camp.

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