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Old February 2nd, 2014, 05:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question First Pump gun

Hey guys! So I have started playing paintball recently and I really got into it and I was looking for my first gun.
I want to get a pump marker because I saw a few people playing it and it looked interesting, and, I'm on a budget and I don't want to waste a lot on paintballs. I was looking at a few online but cant decide.also, I play at a speedball field but it has some big arenas in the back that have plenty of space.
Budget= $200 or less
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 06:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Glad to have another pump player, but let me start off by saying that you shouldn't want to switch to pump just to save money on ball cost. I personally use nearly as much paint with my pump marker as I do with a semi. Playing pump is extremely different than semi for obvious reasons. You can no longer just put ropes down field and hope to hit someone, you actually have to get good angels and learn to utilize that one shot.

That being said, before you actually decide you want to go out and drop some bills on a new marker see if someone at your local field will let you play a game or 2 with their pump. That'll give you a good idea of how much you actually want to try it.

If at that point you finally decide that you still want to play pump with your own marker look on Craigslist or fleabay and search for cockers. You can find a decent marker for about $150 and snag a hooptie kit from your local dealer for about $30.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 06:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Guns

Thanks!

I had these guns in mind

1. Empire Traccer
2. Azodin Kaos pump
3. Spyder Hammer 7

Quick question: Can I still play pump on a speed-ball field?
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http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...ckers&_sacat=0

The one on top (Marker system X) looks pretty nice but I don't know anything about it. The planet eclipse is over budget
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The Empire Traccer is decent. Spyder hammer is actually an awesome marker. You can do alot of fun stuff to it and it is First Strike Round ready. The Traccer is to but each round has to be hand loaded whereas the Hammer uses the mag for that. I'm not a huge fan of Azodin markers, they've always felt a bit cheap to me. I usually stick to WGP or System X markers. As far as those markers go though; if the mil-sim style is an important factor to you I'd say take the Spyder Hammer 7. If not only take an Azodin if its less than $120. Otherwise WGP is where its at. Just remember to always test fire to see how you like the marker.

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Thanks!

I had these guns in mind

1. Empire Traccer
2. Azodin Kaos pump
3. Spyder Hammer 7

I've heard that spyder isn't the best
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The one on top (Marker system X) looks pretty nice but I don't know anything about it. The planet eclipse is over budget
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Okay thanks!

I think First strike rounds are expensive so I might stay away from that.

and, what would be an advantage for pump guns over mech and electric. I cant seem to find any
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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They are expensive but can be fun to use the additional range to your advantage. I played a few games with the Hammer 7 and only took 1 mag of FS just in case I found myself needing them.

If anyone tells you there are advantages to playing pump you should ignore them. Simply put, there are no advantages. Pump guns and their projectiles are subject to the same physics as mechs and electropneumatics. People will argue the whole closed bolt vs. open bolt saying closed bolt is better but its not really true (at least in my experience).

IME when you play pump a barrel kit is a must. Due to the fact that the ball sits in the chamber waiting to be fire means the ball can actually roll out while you're running around the field. Another reason for a barrel kit is that if your paint and barrel bore don't match, there'll be a tiny bit of space between the barrel and ball which will allow air to escape around the ball when you try to fire. This means that your shots will be louder than they should be and you'll get significantly more ball drop and inconsistency than you should.


People play pump more for the play style than anything. Aggressiveness is a must when playing pump. Plus there is a certain satisfaction in seeing peoples faces when you tag them out with your pump.

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Okay thanks!

I think First strike rounds are expensive so I might stay away from that.

and, what would be an advantage for pump guns over mech and electric. I cant seem to find any
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info, one last question.

Should I bid on this marker X? They are claiming it is new
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARKER-SYSTE...item1c3c0aac7b
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That's actually a pretty good marker but I wouldn't pay more than $250 for it, but thats just me.

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Thanks for the info, one last question.

Should I bid on this marker X? They are claiming it is new
Marker System x Base Vengeance Cocker Paintball Gun New Retail $569 98 | eBay
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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its $215 with shipping so I might go for it.

It looks kind of strange though. I don't see a pump on it.
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Its not a pump. it is a cocker though. You would have to remove the front block and install a pump kit on it.

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its $215 with shipping so I might go for it.

It looks kind of strange though. I don't see a pump on it.
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... i'll chime in

i started with an azodin KP. its cheap. it works. and its nearly impossible to break.

built up a cocker pump, smooth like butter.

bought a t2 (out of your "budget")... to be honest, if i had to sell either my cocker or my t2, i'd sell my t2... thats how much i love my cocker.

sniper feels so cheap in my hands.

haven't touched a hammer7 yet
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 01:34 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i say build a cocker pump. They can end up quite nice but on the off chance you end up not liking pump you can always return it to a semi-auto marker and keep using it
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 03:49 PM   #15 (permalink)
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dont get a trilogy, the other two are decent. I prefer a little bit newer stuff but they are not bad choices, huck will probably be able to help you better. Im not a pump guy so beyond stay away from the trilogies, im no expert on cocker pumps
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I went ahead and bid for a gun but the reserve was not met...Dont know what to do since most on the market are Triologies.....
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you keep looking. There are plenty of cockers out there, the trilogies flood the market because they are cheap, but cheap does not always mean good
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Oh, I forgot to mention. A friend of mine on the fourm sent me a link to one and I won the bid! will send pictures once I get it... I just need a pump kit and I'll be good to go.
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what cocker is it?
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It was a prostock if I remember correctly
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It comes semi automatic though, right?
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yes, prostocks are semi-auto mechanicals. Good markers, my cocker actually started life as a superstock, same marker just the e-version of it.

there were a few different prostocks through the years, they started with a standard pre-2k flat back block and then went to the 2k5 P blocks. Really though, they are all good markers, you can re-work the entire front block (which you cant do on the trilogies) to do whatever you want to do with them. They will pretty much accept just about any cocker parts you want them too. great choice
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what should I upgrade it with after I get it?
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It has pretty good stock parts to begin with. Its your first pump so just play a few days with it before you decide you want to start dumping money into it.

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