miller has a good point, you could keep it as a backup, if i were you id keep it the way it is and just plunk the money you would be throwing into upgrades into a can and eventually get something different.
tippmann upgrades may sound all well and good, but few really do what they promise
meh i like the gun, ive played 2, 8 hour games with it so far and i really like it... so if it aint broke dont fix it. i know you guys might be trying to help me out but i like the marker thats all there is to it lol and i simply dont have enough money to buy a whole new marker, i already have a backup marker. my last tippmann (98) i used for about 4 years before it finally broke mostly from my fault i was a bit to rough with it one game. so i trust tippmanns i have used other markers. spyders, brass eagles, and i tried out a tac 5? i think they're called. tippmann is my fav so far. so im going to stick with them as my Woodsball gun.
7/10...Love the $300 worth Redbulls staked up in the corner, maybe you should layoff of them for a week and by some more stuff for you gun. Just messing around. I would change the stock to something less bulky.
OR...he could just get a new marker as was previously suggested...With the cost of the A5+ any upgrades, it would be a gross waste of money. You could find a better marker for cheaper.
K, but hes already said he likes it and who in their right mind would just get a diffferent gun after all the time and money that hes put into it.
The A-5 is going out of date and there are guns that are better, but its still a good solid gun
who in their right mind would just get a diffferent gun after all the time and money that hes put into it.
I did for one. The advice to slow up on upgrades is just the voice of experience talking. Some people like heavy milsim markers but most get into them almost by accident the looks are cool and other noobies are intimidated but after a few games the limitations start to become very noticeable. There is nothing wrong with Tippmanns out of the box they are solid and dependable just don't think you can upgrade them into a better marker because it will never happen.
miller has a good point, you could keep it as a backup, if i were you id keep it the way it is and just plunk the money you would be throwing into upgrades into a can and eventually get something different.
tippmann upgrades may sound all well and good, but few really do what they promise
quit telling people to dump their tippmanns, you're not doing anyone a service. He wouldnt have bought it if he didnt want it.
decent looking gun, but if I were you, I'd get it digicamo painted instead of wrapped, itll look much better and cleaner.
7/10 for looks, 4/10 for functionality.
and to those of whom whine about weight, go to the gym. if you seriously think that wrapping the gun in CLOTH is going to weigh it down noticeably, I URGE you to go get a gym membership.
7/10 looks cool. if i were in the army i would like a gun to look like that cause no way in hell will i be moving like i move in paintball, So for his style play the gun is fine the way it is.
i got a camo decal kit for it so its not so messy feeling lol
and my dad ordered a flatline barrel and m4 stock for his but it was supposedly backordered so he ordered a different barrel and stock and it came then about a month later (yesterday) his flatline and stock came he didnt want it so he gave it to me so now i have a flat line and a M4 stock just in case
quit telling people to dump their tippmanns, you're not doing anyone a service. He wouldnt have bought it if he didnt want it.
im not saying he never should have gotten it, simply that its time to move on if he wants more preformance, 98s and a5s are like a ford ranger or chevy s10, you buy them to tow something you can put in the bed or maybe a small tent trailer, and it works well for that, but soon you want to tow a larger trailer, but in order to do so you must modify the suspention, so you do that, but then you want a larger and larger trailer, and you are dumping tons of money into the engine and tranny and shocks and when you are done you have dumped twice as much money into this small pickup as it would have taken to buy a new one, and now you are getting half the gas milage you would be otherwise and its loud and ugly. but to you each modification was justifyed by the fact that that one mod would cast less than buying a new truck, at some point people need to learn when to move on to get what they are looking for, for tippmanns that comes after you have put a new barrel on it, switched to hpa and gotten a high end hopper.
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blue to black dm6
hyper 3
top hat mod
laser eyes
CP flow plug
32 degrees drop forward (yes i like my drop forwards)
cp micro on/off asa
deadly winds 14" fibur barrel with full freak
Dye rotor with speed feed
centerflag 68/4500 with on/off
I love this thing where, unless you own or use one, you have to hate on Tippmanns. I own two, most of my friends own one or more, and we all love them. Most of these other "great guns" are either far more expensive than any paintball marker has a right to be, or it's a pain to use or service. As far as the stock making the marker "too heavy", IT"S A HOLLOW PLASTIC STOCK!!! Your electronic loader weighs more!
Red dots are so so, I've used a few, and the Tasco you have on there is the perfect paintball red dot, i.e., it's cheap, I know, I have the exact same one. I don't care for the Harris style Bi-pod, but they do stand up better than the M14 style that is the main alternative. Anyone telling you that bi-pods are useless needs to do more than walk-ons in the woods.
Get the Tech T vortex mod, and the Lightning Rod, these will eliminate your most common Cyclone malfunctions. Bolt and power tube mods are mot the best way to spend your money, but if your into accuracy and reliability, HPA is the way to go.
I love this thing where, unless you own or use one, you have to hate on Tippmanns. I own two, most of my friends own one or more, and we all love them.
thats all fine that you like them, i dont, iv never owned one and for good reason, and before you start trying to rip that apart yes i have used and worked on plenty (worked at a camp for a summer where the rentals were 98s) a lot of people dont like them because they are low end, overpriced markers, not to mention if you buy one, and have it stock then go to the field to play, you are walking onto the field with a rental, wheres the advantage in that? (in some cases rental markers are better, iv heard of places using vibes)
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Most of these other "great guns" are either far more expensive than any paintball marker has a right to be, or it's a pain to use or service.
this coming from someone who i would be willing to bet has never owned anything outside of tippmanns. the 98 and A5 are numbers 1 and 2 on my list of hard to service markers (followed closely by the stock ion), someone should have smacked tippmann with the ugly stick after using the clamshell design on the 98 but that was back in the day when times were simpler, but seriously to do it again with the A5? and in todays markt? its a horrid design that in no way shape or form has maintance needs in mind. and as for these "great guns" that are super expensive, well spyder makes one heck of a entry level marker called the vs1, it is $100, will be, faster, lighter, smaller, more efficiant, way easyer to service, parts are cheaper, and has a e-trigger stock, basically everything people want their 98 or a5 to be for a fraction of the cost it would take to put a e-trigger and other various preformance upgrades on the tippmanns (and nomatter what you do you cant fix that they are large, heavy and hard to service)
so before you start saying there are too many tippmann hatters on here get out and experience the whole world of better markers
o, just fyi, you may want to look at the date of the last post on a thread before posting on it, genneral rule of thumb is if its over a month old, just let it die, welcome to the forum PWF
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blue to black dm6
hyper 3
top hat mod
laser eyes
CP flow plug
32 degrees drop forward (yes i like my drop forwards)
cp micro on/off asa
deadly winds 14" fibur barrel with full freak
Dye rotor with speed feed
centerflag 68/4500 with on/off
I love this thing where, unless you own or use one, you have to hate on Tippmanns.
I've owned a few tippmanns and while I don't hate them, I do advise new people to not buy them. Why? Because you can find cheaper, faster, easier to work on markers.
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Red dots are so so, I've used a few, and the Tasco you have on there is the perfect paintball red dot, i.e., it's cheap, I know, I have the exact same one.
Red dot sights are a waste of money. Much like most all the upgrades for 98's and A5's....
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Anyone telling you that bi-pods are useless needs to do more than walk-ons in the woods.
I play woodsball as well as scenarios and I'll still tell anyone that bi-pods are useless. Why? Because they are. If you can't hold/carry your gun the whole game, don't buy a heavy tippmann.....
I've owned a few tippmanns and while I don't hate them, I do advise new people to not buy them. Why? Because you can find cheaper, faster, easier to work on markers.
Red dot sights are a waste of money. Much like most all the upgrades for 98's and A5's....
I play woodsball as well as scenarios and I'll still tell anyone that bi-pods are useless. Why? Because they are. If you can't hold/carry your gun the whole game, don't buy a heavy tippmann.....
he speeks the truth
bi-pods work on actual guns because the range is a lot further, therefore you need a steadier shot, if your trying to steady your shot in paintball because you are concerned you will not hit your target, then your target is too far away, move up, play tight to your cover and throw away the bi-pod
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blue to black dm6
hyper 3
top hat mod
laser eyes
CP flow plug
32 degrees drop forward (yes i like my drop forwards)
cp micro on/off asa
deadly winds 14" fibur barrel with full freak
Dye rotor with speed feed
centerflag 68/4500 with on/off
Trbo, sorry for making you back up your claim, but when I hear someone talking crap, I have this involuntary urge to say so. First, the clam shell design may or may not be to your liking, but if you care at all about military simulation, as many Tippmann buyers do, you know that the clam shell concept is used on a great many modern firearms, and by modern, I mean 2000 and newer. This demand for markers to be light is also troubling to me, as a milsimer. An A5 weighs in at 3.5lb, no tank. HKPRO.con lists the MP5, it's real steel progenitor, at 5.59lb, no loads. Let me do the sums for you, okay? 5.59lb (mp5) - 3.5lb (A5) = 2.09lb. Quit whining! With that much weight to play with, I don't see any reason NOT to add optics, or anything else for that matter, if it adds to your enjoyment of the game.
Also, Feb 3rd was last week, not last month. Try to keep up...
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Milsim is a VERY small percentage of players. For the AVERAGE player, anything Tippman is a bad purchase. Just because you like playing like you're a soldier, most paintball players don't have any desire to pretend to be a soldier. They are purchasing the markers to have fun. Or some will go and be soldiers, and play paintball for fun, not to try to relive their days as a soldier. I fall into this latter category. I WAS a soldier. I have no desire to EVER touch anything milsim. It's a stupid, moronic, idiotic, pointless exercise IMO. Paintball markers simply don't have physics that relate to real firearms.
For anyone who wants to play paintball for fun, not to live out some fantasy of being a soldier, clamshell design is quite bad. Tippmanns are heavy. Slow. Any add-ons are worthless. For those that just want to camp and pretend their some kind of sniper while lugging something that's as close to an authentic firearm in weight, sure, Tippmans are the BOMB!! But for everyone else in the entire paintball world, Tippmans are at best a starter marker that it's not worth spending a dime on past a new barrel. And even then, at a significant percentage more than the smaller, faster, more efficient, cheaper VS1/VS2, they're not a good value as a starter marker.
tlmiller, I get what your saying, it make sense to me, except for the bit about why you, with your stated views on milsim are even offering your opinion in a thread started by someone who IS into that aspect of the game. You are free to hold what ever opinion you like on any and every subject you like, but to go spouting off, calling people who spent their hard earned money on something they enjoy smacks of bigotry. Think about how much you just insulted the guy who started this thread, do you think that your attitude is winning people over to your way of thinking? I doubt it, and the more I see and hear of people like you bashing people who play other styles of paintball than your own, the more I'm grateful I spend my time with a more excepting group of 'Ballers.
martix_agent, I didn't read it that way. The text of his post seemed more than a little insulting to the majority of the people who play at my field, who enjoy cosmetic customization of paintball markers, as much as they do performance upgrades. To say that you may personally feel that it is not the best way to spent your money, (which is what the rest of the world feels about paintball) is fair, if not necessarily constructive in this thread. To say that "It's a stupid, moronic, idiotic, pointless exercise" is worse than useless to those looking for constructive criticism, it is abusive toward a large number of people, none of whom deserve to be addressed in that way. As to comments rating this marker, and others of the same sort, allow me to quote from the rate My Gun Rules: "This is the most important part of this forum. This rule will be followed by all. You will rate the gun by its division or class. Do not rate a gun against altogether different guns. For example do not rate a stock-class paintball gun against the top-of-the-line angel or other guns. Rate it by price and category."
As to comments rating this marker, and others of the same sort, allow me to quote from the rate My Gun Rules: "This is the most important part of this forum. This rule will be followed by all. You will rate the gun by its division or class. Do not rate a gun against altogether different guns. For example do not rate a stock-class paintball gun against the top-of-the-line angel or other guns. Rate it by price and category."
Which is why we suggested buying a marker in the same "category" as far as price goes. You didn't see anyone saying, don't buy a tippmann buy a Ego, Or DM9. We rated it compared to other starter guns.
And as far as what tmiller said, I believe he was more saying that most new people buy tippmanns, upgrade them with useless upgrades, only to find out they wasted their money. Except for that small(and it is small) percentage of people who love milsim and don't care that they spent more on upgrades than their marker cost. Which in itself was overpriced. We're more trying to help those new people who don't yet know that tippmanns shouldn't be hardcore upgraded, because you can find lighter, faster and all around better markers for cheaper. Because as you stated no one is going to persuade you to stop your style of play. Which is ok, it's your money spend it how you like.
But we're simply giving our opinion, which is what this thread is all about. And I'm sorry but if you can't handle people's personal opinion, then don't post on the internet?
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Maybe you missed the IN MY OPINION? everything stated is my opinion. Some people will not consider a waste of money, I do. Milsimmers and speedballers are the minority. Yes, the OP is a milsimmer, but my reply is to the posts previous to mine, not necessarily about the original post. When defending the Tippmann, the ONLY way to defend it is to point out that the only time it's a worthwhile investment is to milsimmers. This is simply my opinion. I don't get milsimmers and I hate that style of play. He asked for OPINIONS, and I gave it. He didn't just ask for positive opinions. I'm sure he'd hate several of my markers because they're colourful and would make successful camping quite difficult since they can be seen from one side of the field to the other.
And we're not rating against other guns. If you read my post, what do I mention? A spyder. Something that is a blowback same as a Tippmann in the same price range as a Tippmann. I point out that being smaller, lighter, faster, and cheaper makes the Spyder a better deal. It's simply better performance. In what way does the PERFORMANCE of an A5 compare to a Spyder? It's slower being mech vs. electro. It's less efficient. It's hevier. it takes longer to take apart. It's longer. The cyclone feed offers a large profile to shoot. Refute any one of those statements based on fact when comparing an A-5 that is still in the same price range of a Spyder (ie - stock). It's not bigoted to hate a marker for providing players with crappy value, and for pointing it out at every opportunity so that hopefully newer players won't waste their money on it, or even better, the company might stop shafting the noobs and drop their markers price in line with the competition.
The clamshell design has nothing to do with making a Tippmann more like a firearm. The clamshell design is used because it is cheaper to manufacture Tippmann takes pieces of metal and stamps the shape of the marker into them and then screws the two halves together. On more expensive markers a solid piece of aluminum is used and then milled into shape making the marker sturdier, lighter and cleaner looking. Milling also takes a lot more time to finish so the price tags are higher.
My Rifle A-5
so now i have a flat line and a M4 stock just in case 
