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Old June 2nd, 10:15 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Its a barrel made by J&J, which I would suggest to any and all who will listen!
Yes I have to agree, on J&J ceramic. I have a 12 inch on my Tippmann X7 ( a great marker, buy it if you have the money.) I have used tons of barrels, In the begining I thought longer was better but no. Get a 10 to 14 inch J&J, you will NOT regret it.
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Old June 5th, 10:25 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I don't see how the X-7 is any better.
Tippmann offers the same upgrades for most all their guns, and he way they perform on the individual guns doesn't differ enough to warrant the several hundred dollar split from the 98

You can see my marker in my sig, and I've played with an A-5 on Nitro, RT and the cyclone, spitting from a 16" Stiffi, and had no trouble at all. I've also ousted several all-electric Ions, running 15-23 bps. That's for woodsball.

As for speedball, I've beaten numerous 'tried and true' speedball guns, and my 2 teammates run an 98's, one with a stock and 14" off-brand, and one straight stock.

I think the statistical evidence and player stories you see everywhere show just how good Tippmanns really are.
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Old June 6th, 12:52 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Yes I have to agree, on J&J ceramic. I have a 12 inch on my Tippmann X7 ( a great marker, buy it if you have the money.) I have used tons of barrels, In the begining I thought longer was better but no. Get a 10 to 14 inch J&J, you will NOT regret it.
Buy it my ass, its a A5 with a plastic body. Its WAY overpriced. If you want a tippy go with a 98C, the Cyclone isnt that great either. If you want it buy it for a 98C not an A5 or a X7.

Especially if you don't have an egrip, its even more stupid. A semi auto 98c with a freaking regular $5 Force Feed hopper will work the same.
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Old June 6th, 02:31 AM   #44 (permalink)
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And about the whole Tippmann's are the uber pwnzorz best thing;
It's really the person behind the marker. I've seen plenty of 12 year olds getting their parent to buy them the latest and greatest marker, only to be stuck in the staging area tring to figure out how to work the thing, and when their done, they get owned by retal players. After that, they get frustrated, and say that it's the guns fault, not operator error.

If you put an amazing player behind any marker, chances are that they're still going to do well, no matter what, so saying that Tippmann's are better just from the experiance that people shooting Tippmann's usually eliminate the people shooting high end markers is horribly inaccurate.

Get some real testing, like consistancy, efficiency, and such between a Tippmann and a high end gun, compare the data, and see which one is physically better.
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Old June 6th, 07:24 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Tippmanns work well because their design is simple but that design is crude to say the least and makes them loud, slow and inefficient the exact things the woodsballers buying them don't want. Once they buy the A5/X7 (because they rock for woodsball!!!!) they then start asking around the forums for ways to make them quieter, faster and more efficient. I've put nothing but a Zick Kit and Cure bolt in my Ego and nothing at all into my 'mags but every Tippmann owner has a laundry list of upgrades in their super awesome Tippmann.
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Ummm, that made no sense? Since the 98c, A-5, and X-7 all have the same valve system, and I believe that they are all mechanical (maybe the X-7 isn't), than why whould one be quieter, faster, and more efficient?

If anything, the 98c is better for woodsball, it's smaller, lighter, and tighter than the A-5 or X-7, which can get big, bulky, heavy, and clumsy. I'd rather get an 98c and slap a cyclone feed on it than get an A-5 or X-7.
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Ummm, that made no sense? Since the 98c, A-5, and X-7 all have the same valve system, and I believe that they are all mechanical (maybe the X-7 isn't), than why whould one be quieter, faster, and more efficient?

If anything, the 98c is better for woodsball, it's smaller, lighter, and tighter than the A-5 or X-7, which can get big, bulky, heavy, and clumsy. I'd rather get an 98c and slap a cyclone feed on it than get an A-5 or X-7.
QFT. And I don't recall seeing many tippy owners saying how pwnage they're marker is. My A-5 was free, so of course I took it. It gets the job done, and is on the bulky side but not heavy, heavy compared to the high end guns.
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Old June 6th, 04:44 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Ummm, that made no sense? Since the 98c, A-5, and X-7 all have the same valve system, and I believe that they are all mechanical (maybe the X-7 isn't), than why whould one be quieter, faster, and more efficient?

If anything, the 98c is better for woodsball, it's smaller, lighter, and tighter than the A-5 or X-7, which can get big, bulky, heavy, and clumsy. I'd rather get an 98c and slap a cyclone feed on it than get an A-5 or X-7.
What part didn't makes sense? The 98/A5/X7 are nearly identical in their valve system what I was saying is that woodsballers love their Tippmanns (regardless of which model they get) because they say Tippmanns are great for woodsball. What happens though is that most Tippmann owners end up on a never ending search for upgrades to make their Tippmanns faster, more efficient or quieter especially quiet because that is considered a most have woodsball attribute. I wasn't trying to say that one Tippmann was better than another.
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What part didn't makes sense? The 98/A5/X7 are nearly identical in their valve system what I was saying is that woodsballers love their Tippmanns (regardless of which model they get) because they say Tippmanns are great for woodsball. What happens though is that most Tippmann owners end up on a never ending search for upgrades to make their Tippmanns faster, more efficient or quieter especially quiet because that is considered a most have woodsball attribute. I wasn't trying to say that one Tippmann was better than another.
Im one of those ones that arent part of those "most" and neither is my team. We have 3 people on our team that have tippmanns, and all three of us stopped upgrading after we upgraded our barrels and such.
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Honestly I don't care what people do with their markers I just find a certain irony in that Tippmanns have earned the reputation of being great woodsball markers but so many of their fanboys spend so much money and time trying to improve on them.
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Ok, I'm now officially lost.
Yes, Tippmann's are good woodsball gun, but there isn't a very easy and/or cheap way to make them more efficient and quieter. That requires a LP setup and a reaulator of some kind, and those thins get kinda pricy.

And it might just be me, but I'd shoot a Spyder over any Tippmann any day
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Honestly I don't care what people do with their markers I just find a certain irony in that Tippmanns have earned the reputation of being great woodsball markers but so many of their fanboys spend so much money and time trying to improve on them.
What about them upgrading their markers makes a Tippmann bad? All that means is that the owner wants to make it marker even better, which most any owner of any marker does/would do. It's just the natural want to be able to say "oh, my marker has this and this and this on it"
You get that anywhere.
It's about making your marker a part of you. Like a car.
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Honestly I don't care what people do with their markers I just find a certain irony in that Tippmanns have earned the reputation of being great woodsball markers but so many of their fanboys spend so much money and time trying to improve on them.
Well you cant sit there and judge the owners of the marker. Thats not smart at all. And if you didn't care then you wouldn't have brought up the whole "trying to make their marker better" thing. Just leave it as it is. No one can change what marker is used by what person nor the fact that they brag about their markers.

It doesn't MATTER in reality, its a sport, people are playing it to have fun, not to ***** and whine and get insulted by the marker they're using.
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okay, so no conclusion on those 3 markers (A-5, 98, X7)

but what about barrels, can we all aggree that 14" J&J ceramic is best for woodsball?

and slightly off topic, but what about Bi-Pods (the retractable ones), for woodsball, if it wasnt retractable it would cleary just get tangles up in shrubery/bushes.

if you were hidden in a bush, and looking at 3 enemies with thier backs to you, would you want a retractable bi-pod wich you could just flip out.
especialy if it was a long shot, so you could easily set you 'elevation'

what do you all think
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I love my J&J 14in...I play probably 70/30 woodsball/speedball. Bipods are worthless. Purely for looks. By the time you get it set down any good player would either move or realize you're behind them.
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