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**ARagingRebel** · September 28th, 07:26 PM

people like me? i dont shoot that hot, three of my boys do, so dont point fingers. my gun shoots 310 and is dead accurate. Look i aint the captain, i dont control how hot my team shoots. Anyways, the people who make recballers look bad arent us, cause the parental units approve, the ones who make us look bad are the ones that vandalize stuff with their guns.

**dfdtrumpet** · September 28th, 09:21 PM

^^^true, thier the real bad face of paintball, and if your playing against eachother and dont care about getting hurt, who cares? But when you start playing against others who dont know that your playing hot, and dont want to get hurt, its not cool

**ARagingRebel** · September 29th, 08:12 AM

no no, we ask them what they would prefer us shoot first. But if they dont care, then we go our normal pressure, but you know if someone likes 280 or so, no prob, we will turn our guns down. we mainly just play eachother at that high of a pain pressure.

**TrashDoG** · September 29th, 09:49 AM

yeah some games we have 9th graders and even 8th graders, or first-timers (chics we're trying to get into the sport), so we'll turn em down to 280 or so... But when it's jsut the "regulars" we'll play up to 340-350. Ouch.

Lord Headley · September 29th, 09:51 AM

Morons, simply morons. Do me a favor and just don't even post in here anymore. You're supposed to be showing a good face of paintball, not the wanna be "jackass" side of it.

- Brian

**ARagingRebel** · October 1st, 08:00 AM

fine i am done speaking of hotness of pressure, but another tip is to stay as low as possible, but you want to move quick too, I guess analyze how a swat team moves and do as they do. Works well for me at least. oh yeah, and lord head, i respect your hatred of our way of playing, but you have to understand that in Michigan, there isnt anything to do, so if we dont play then we will be drinking, smoking, or getting girls pregnant, like the rest of the idiots around jackson county. Plus and as long as no one gets hurt, we cant possibly be giving recball a bad face.

**MoldyCheeseWiz** · October 19th, 10:24 PM

Woodsball isnt for impatient people... If you cant hold still for a while then your likely to be spotted. Even slight movements are a giveaway. When your hiding somewhere make sure your in a comfortable position so you wont be shifting around or anything. For camo... ghillie suits are pretty easy to make, I made one =D Or you can buy one for about $200(?) at an army suprlus or whatever. EDIT: but they are really hot...

**ARagingRebel** · October 20th, 08:13 AM

uhh you can be good and still be impatient in the woods, wait let me guess...you aspire to be a "sniper". Dont listen to him, if you stay sharp and make sure you and your team check your surroundings while moving, you'll be fine.

**Anavrin88** · October 31st, 09:42 AM

i have a home made ghillie suit and it works great since it cost me almost nothing

**predator14** · October 31st, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Headley

Morons, simply morons. Do me a favor and just don't even post in here anymore. You're supposed to be showing a good face of paintball, not the wanna be "jackass" side of it.

- Brian

seriously people^ staighten up.

**ARagingRebel** · November 3rd, 08:38 AM

grrr hey, me and headley are cool about that now, we dont hurt anyone doing it, so butt out. I have been playing for 6 years and no one i have played with has ever gotten hurt from our style of playing.

**Hathegkla** · November 3rd, 11:02 AM

I don't think shooting a little hot in closed private games is that bad as long as everybody knows whats gonig on. It's pretty common in airsoft to let "snipers" use really hot guns (500fps). It's not like speedball, you would never shoot someone from close range with a hot gun, its just plain stupid. but if its from a distance it's really not gonna hurt anyone.

**ARagingRebel** · November 4th, 07:52 PM

yeah we are distance shooters, not snipers though, good god, i wont be that noob term. lol

**Anavrin88** · November 6th, 07:59 AM

if the other team has a sniper all decked out, whats the best way to get him/her out?

**general_lindy** · November 21st, 09:22 PM

heres 3 pretty good tips
1. avoid tunnel vision and use all of your senses.
2. don't be afraid to get hit.
3. worry about how you are going to get your enemy out, don't worry about how he is going to get you out.

**Aaronj5** · November 22nd, 10:13 PM

As a sniper in Airsoft, the Standard velocity is about 500-550 fps, with many shooting 600. (The standard for Airsoft assault rifles is 300, with most vetran players ugrading to 400) However, we counter that with a 100-120 foot minimun engagement range. This means that Snipers normally carry a backup weapon for close up stuff, like a small submachinegun. I think the same thing could be used in paintball, (the minimum engagment distance rule) except that, as it's been mentioned, paintballs tend to break esier and become less accurate as velocity increases, the optimal speed being subject to the barrel...

**BrightSpot** · December 29th, 11:49 AM

ohhh thanks a lot everyone for all these great tips

**pballfreak666** · January 3rd, 09:15 PM

very helpful guys thanks

**PumpPlayer** · February 1st, 01:21 PM

Here's a great tip in case you're looking to make some great camo for cheap. Find your local arts and crafts store and give them a call to see if they stock plastic or faux-silk flowers. I know it sounds silly, but bear with me, here... You're looking for anything green and leafy, but not bright. (Though mad props to anyone who plays with a dozen roses sticking out of their mask! Call yourself Cassanova or something...)

Oak leaves, ferns, cattails (if you like swampy areas), etc. can all be found at most craft stores. Sew or (if you're lazy) staple them to your camo and wire-tie them to your mask and marker. If there's one thing that makes regular camo stand out, it's the lack of shadow and depth. Plus, you will now 'blow' in the wind, unlike someone with regular camo on. Moreover, the increased ammount of shadow will really help conceal small movements. Cost is maybe $5-10 for a mask and marker and maybe $20-30 for a full suit of super-camo. Depends how fancy the fake foliage you get is...

Just my thoughts on the issue of velocity: Most studies have shown that the injury limit for paintballs is around 15 ft-lbs of muzzle energy (does not apply to face and eyes). Meaning that anything below that is not likely to cause permanent damage or injuries requiring hospitalization. Modern paintballs have a denser fill than they used to, but even still, the velocity cap is about 400 fps. Keep in mind that 400 fps is 'likely' to cause injury. Most markers will not fire this fast and, even if they did, most paintballs cannot withstand the more rapid acceleration. However, there is still the risk of injury at lower velocities, though less likely. Keep in mind that the kinetic energy is a function of the square of the velocity (F=1/2mv^2) and so the pain difference from 280 to 290 is a lot less than the difference between 310 and 320. Likewise, when you start talking about getting up into the 325+ category, your potential for injury increases dramatically. Paintball is almost guaranteed safe (assuming your goggles are approved and in good condition) at 310 fps and lower. Higher than that, however, you push the limits of your goggles and your sanity. A goggle hit at 310fps warrants a lens replacement. 280 or so you might let go for one or two hits, though a replacement is still recommended. If you get a goggle hit at 350 fps, and it doesn't crack the lens visibly, keep in mind that your lens will most likely break upon the next shot. Playing at velocities over 310fps is asking for trouble, strictly from a safety standpoint, to say nothing of pain and discomfort. Moreso, if you're playing in your back yard or on an uninsured field, YOU need to take the initiative to ensure safety.

Lastly, just in case you're still adamant about playing at high velocity because "it's more accurate", just a little bit of fluid dynamics for you: fluid resistance (air) increases cubically with the velocity of the projectile. Thus, if you increase your velocity 10%, you increase your friction by about 33.1%. With the increased friction, you will actually get less and less 'flat' trajectory with each increase in velocity. Will 325fps go farther than 310? Yes. But by how much? It's less than 3% with about three feet more of flat trajectory. And is it worth it? It takes almost 15% more gas to fire a single shot. Firing at 280 will get you more than 35% more shots out of your tank.

The size, mass and velocity of paintballs has been designed so as to work properly between about 265 and 310 fps. This velocity range will give you the best accuracy and trajectory as well as minimizing discomfort and virtually eliminating the possibility of injury. In fact, you might want to cap it at 290fps as the trajectory/accuracy increase past that is minimal. Speedball is played at 310 in order to facilitate more breaks at close range. At long range, it doesn't really matter. You will rarely see a rec field operate in excess of 300 fps mostly for insurance reasons. Most rec fields are in the 280-290 range for a reason.

Playing at high velocity doesn't make you tough, it makes you look stupid.

Edit: Let me edit this for Aaronj5: The mass of a paintball (depending upon manufacturer) is about 3.5 grams. The mass of an airsoft pellet is .10 or .12 grams, depending upon which you use. The mass difference means that you can certainly safely shoot airsoft at 400 fps or even higher.

**ARagingRebel** · February 1st, 09:21 PM