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Old October 25th, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ok guys i just got a brand new red dynasty shocker and i shot my 68/4500 hp and i only got like 600 shots out of it and i was wondering what i could do to make it have more shots i was think new he bolt or reg but im not sure just post what will make it more air efficent
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Old October 25th, 03:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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what was your velocity at?
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Old October 25th, 03:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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yea....shockers are known for bad efficiency....umm....try a he bolt....it helped me
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Old October 25th, 04:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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my velocity was at 303 then i change it to about 280 and my pressue not sure about
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Old October 25th, 08:41 PM   #5 (permalink)
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He bolt idk it should not be shooting that bad. Get it checked.
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Old October 25th, 09:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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well its all stock for now and i didnt mess with the pressure i relubed it and it works fine but im gonna go get the he bolt kit
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Old October 26th, 12:59 AM   #7 (permalink)
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What does velocity have to do with anything?

You have to get a new bolt kit to get better efficiency.
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Old October 26th, 04:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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What does velocity have to do with anything?

Gerenaly it is a higher pressure is used so it uses a higher volume of air. and example of this is a 68ci tank at 4500 psi realy has 20822.06 ci (that is if my math is right) of air compressed into it. but a 3000 will only have 13881.38ci

So the 600 shots use 34.70 ci per shot.

But as for the low shot counthat it could be any or all of the following.
  • Tank is leaking (reg or fillnipple)
  • Air line is leaking
  • Gun reg is leaking
  • Noid is leaking
  • Bolt is leaking
  • Internal air lines are leaking
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the only other thing to do to get a better shot count with stock bolt kit is to sweetspot the dwell and reg.
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Old October 26th, 10:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Gerenaly it is a higher pressure is used so it uses a higher volume of air. and example of this is a 68ci tank at 4500 psi realy has 20822.06 ci (that is if my math is right) of air compressed into it. but a 3000 will only have 13881.38ci

So the 600 shots use 34.70 ci per shot.

But as for the low shot counthat it could be any or all of the following.
  • Tank is leaking (reg or fillnipple)
  • Air line is leaking
  • Gun reg is leaking
  • Noid is leaking
  • Bolt is leaking
  • Internal air lines are leaking
High Pressure has less volume of air. LP has more.

High Pressure and LP generally have nothing to do with efficiency.

You will need to get an HE bolt kit. The way the stock bolt works you will continually waste air when the marker is aired up.
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Old October 27th, 01:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Time to break out the Science notes

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High Pressure has less volume of air. LP has more.
so by that logic a 10 ci camber at 14.69 PSI has more air in it as a 10ci camber at 29.38 PSI.

but that is not true cause the 2nd contian has twice the pressure and therefor must have twice as much air in it


Cause by voulme of air i mean if i were to let it expande to 0 PSI (or about the same as the air around us) not the volume of the container it is in

And the reson for a 4500 tank lasting longer then a 3000 PSI tank of the same size is cause your packing more air into the same sized space.

and as for the math
1 atmoshpere is = ~15 PSI at sealevel (14.69594878 is the real value)
and sence inorder to messure pressure you have to have differance so in reality the air out side a tank is at 15 PSI while the air in a tank is X+15PSI but the extra 15PSI is cancled out whe you solve with algebra

So a tank that is filled to 4500 PSI will have about ~300 times it volume of air compressed in it. So a 68ci tank will have ~20400 CI worth of air in it.

But we can't use the air at the 4500 PSI cause it would exert too much force on the paint ball and cause it to to be like a can of spray paint. This is cause for the average paint ball it has about 3/4 of an inch of serface area that the air hits when it fires so that is about 3375 Pounds of force hitting that ball just from the air.

So the idea is to lower it to a more useable pressure like say 120 PSI (operation presure of my ION) with a reg or series of regs. This means that instead of the 3375 pounds hitting the little 3 gram ball I now have a more reasonable 90 pounds of force hitting the ball from the air. but his means that a the air under the 120 PSI will only expand about 8 times.

So if i have a camber that holds 1 ci of air @ 120 PSI when it is opened it will fill a ballon with about 7ci worth of air (The 1ci stays in there cause the total volume is now 8ci)

and some things to keep in mind is that a 16 inch barrel that is .68 caliber has a total volume of 11.62 ci worth of space (this is if it has no porting Volume=Length x Pie x Radius Squared). but the ball will only spend about 0.0001 seconds in the barrel speeding up.

But if you want a EZer way of expaining this here
p1*v1 = p2*v2
p1 = tank pressure + 15
v1 = volume in tank (ci)
p2 = 15 PSI (~1 atomsphere)
v2 = equivelent volme of air @ p2

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High Pressure and LP generally have nothing to do with efficiency.
Yes and no. It comes down to a few other things but i am too tired to get into them atm
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Old October 31st, 12:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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wow i only thought i could be this confused IN school. o wait i am in school.
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