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**TheAngryGumba11** · June 27th, 12:12 PM

I was at my local field the other day and a guy had a shocker, He played for a team around the area, He let me hold it and check it out and fire some paint through it, cause He wanted to see my NightKast, I really Like my cocker, But I was Very Impressed with how Light the shocker is And I wanna know more about them.

Can anyone tell me the differences between SHockers and Autocockers? Advantages / Disadvantages between the 2?

**Darkpaintball** · June 27th, 02:20 PM

well...

Shocker:
Pros:
1.Light
2.Small Profile
3.Fast even when stock
4.Can have vision
5. Hardly Ever Chops
6. New Max-Flo Reg
7.Adjustable Magnetic Trigger
8.Stock Barrel is nice.
9.Dont need to spend tons of money on upgrades.

Cons:
1. Bad Air efficiency stock. Can be fixed by buyin a new bolt kit, which run around $100.
2. Personally I dont like the stock grips. Nuthin some dye stickies wont fix.
3. Expensive

Cocker
Pros:
1.Small Body, not as small as shocker
2. Very Customizable...tons of upgrades available
3. Can be as fast as the shocker after money is put into it.
4.Sexy Back Block
5.Somewhat air efficient stock more so than the shocker
6. Closed Bolt Accuracy
7.Cheaper than the shocker

Cons:
1. Stock parts arent good
2. Not fast stock and costs quite a bit to make it fast
3. Trigger style, personally i dont like the long pull of the cockers and the possibility of short stroking.
4. More work maintaining but once u get the hang of it, its easy.
5. No vision without eblade which = money

But even with these pros/cons, its all about ur playing style. The thing i like about my shocker is its very adaptable. If you play back u have the ability to lay paint and such, and if u play front or mid, you have a really light gun with a small profile. Its also rather low maintenence. Just as long as you keep the o-rings on your bolt lubed.

But again this is all my opinion. I owe both a cocker and a shocker, and i like my shocker more.

by the way, u may get more response outta the gun comparison forum

***Barber*** · June 27th, 03:28 PM

Good god Dark Paintball is a genious.

I prefer the shocker over the cocker. I used to have a really nice cocker too. The shocker is just so light. It's really amazing.

Which one to get? Depends on your position. If you play back, I'd stay with a cocker. If you play front, go with the shocker.

**TheAngryGumba11** · June 27th, 03:55 PM

Thanks for the time you put into your ANsswer DarkPaintball, I appreciate it. I tend to play Mid / Front. THats WHy I really Liked the Weight of the Shocker, Doesn't look quite as coola s some of the Cockers though. But Man Is it Light, If you Slapped a 45/4500 on there instead of my 68/4500 Wow would it help you be mobile. I may get a shocker and keep my cocker too. Use it for a back man gun. Againt hanks, I may try the Gun Comparison Forum As Well!

**Darkpaintball** · June 27th, 04:04 PM

its not a problem, if u have any more questions feel free to pm me or talk to me on aim-Conner0077. Emailing me would work 2, its in my profile.

but, Looks arent as important as performance...but they are a bonus. You can take a look at the different shockers...there are many different kinds. Look at the freeflow and nasty shockers, they are my two favorite and personally i like the look more than almost any cocker.

***Barber*** · June 27th, 05:21 PM

I played around with a basic 03 shocker with a 68/45 old style max-flo. And to be honest the tank does not matter. The max-flo system is notorious for being heavy, but even with the maxi it was the lightest gun I have ever touched. You could use a 128/5000 if you want and it would be the lightest gun ever. Tanks size is insignificant. I'd personally rock a 68/45 on there.

**djj1973** · June 27th, 06:29 PM

Good post Dark. One thing to add. The shocker used to be closed bolt like the cocker but this year Smart parts switched to Seal Forwad Technology (SFT) This means that the Air does not pass through the bolt until the it seals off the breach which is just like closed bolt operation.

**TheAngryGumba11** · June 27th, 08:56 PM

THats for all the feedback guys, WHat kinda hopped would you recommend on this? I was thinking the EvlutionII Aka Egg2. Lower Profile than the Halo. And a Little bit Lighter. Although I'm not fond of the Lid.

***Barber*** · June 27th, 08:58 PM

Get the Halo. Eggs are not good at all.

**djj1973** · June 27th, 09:15 PM

A friend of mine just got an Empire reloader B. So far he likes it. He has played with it for a couple of weekends. He hasn't had a problem with it and He likes to rail on his marker and the loader has keeped up so far.

**bunkertime** · June 27th, 10:33 PM

DJJ1973, Sp's never Relased a Version of the 03' shocker that was cloed bolt., inorder to have a closed bolt gun you need dual noids and a complety different Fireing chamber set up them wut SP's had. The Closed bolt Thing was only a rumor. SP's has always used the SFT O-ring in Shockers.

As for Mr. Angery. One problem w/ the shockers that ppl have encountered is that the pins that hold the board and trigger sometimes come loose and fall out, Also, shockers can't fire super large or super tiny paint in that the SFT o-ring will break the paint

For front players, the shocker is a Great gun and there really isnt a nessesity to upgrade the Bolt unless you plan on dumping over 3-4 pods w/ a 45.Shockers Are incredibly fast and shoot pretty nice. The bolt comes similar to a matrix, but you unscrew it out of the back and it comes out as 4 peices which are easily lubed w/ some Dow 33.

Autococker is a nice gun too. You have shot both, The cockers can shoot as fast as a shocker, bu thave more moving parts and such...

It will really come down to personal preference. You have shot both markers and it's really your chance to decide. If you do get a shocker and you play front. try and get one w/ a Vert reg and vision, that way you can run a 45/4500 screw in tank and a revy if you want. Seeing the vision works pretty decent w/ a Revy, or you can switch to the good old halo and really mow some muppets. the choice is yours, if you have $$ to buy both guns... Do that

**TheAngryGumba11** · June 28th, 03:46 AM

Thanks Bunkertime, Your input was helpful. I already own the Ebladed Cocker, But I was so impressed with the Shocker I might save and pick one up.

***Barber*** · June 28th, 05:05 AM

Trust me on this, there is no point in upgrading your cocker. After an Eblade the whole thing gets really tidious. All you think about it "How many grams is the _______?" or "How fast can the Freeflow ram cycle?".

Cockers get old fast. Trust me, I've owned 2.

**Darkpaintball** · June 28th, 07:08 AM

The thing with cockers is there are so many moving parts, there is a ton of spots where something can mess up and break down on you. Timing can go wrong and such.

With the shocker there is like a minimal number of moving parts, which cuts down on what can go wrong. Honestly the only thing you have to worry about is that your o-rings on the bolt are lubed well. Also making sure the dwell is set to the right time.

**djj1973** · June 28th, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bunkertime

DJJ1973, Sp's never Relased a Version of the 03' shocker that was cloed bolt., inorder to have a closed bolt gun you need dual noids and a complety different Fireing chamber set up them wut SP's had. The Closed bolt Thing was only a rumor. SP's has always used the SFT O-ring in Shockers...[/color]

I did not say the 03 did. Read my post again, I said the shocker(no specific year) used to be closed bolt. Reading is fundamental.

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