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***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 07:15 PM

Ok, so I have been thinking about trying to get a 98c to the neighborhood of 20 to 30 bps. Its a secret as to how

for now. I know I will obviously need a superfast hopper, etc. My question is, can a 98c physically do that rate of fire mechanically ? Ie, can the marker cycle fast enough, assuming I could pull the trigger that fast(obviously you cant)? Chopping is a non issue, for now. Also assume HPA is used, so theres no drop in pressure, freezing, etc. Lets just say if I had a way to pull the trigger back and forth 20 to 30 times a second, could the gun keep up?

Torch · March 25th, 08:11 PM

Easily.

Good luck feeding it consistantly though.

**bobide** · March 25th, 08:14 PM

the question is does the valve give enough air w/out shootdown. U might get a fast enough reg (aka 2 liter, i hear a high pressure output version is coming soon)

Torch · March 25th, 08:27 PM

I hadn't thought about that. Good point.

***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 08:31 PM

Torch "Good luck feeding it consistantly though." Feeding it air or paint?

Torch · March 25th, 08:34 PM

I was thinking of paint. Going to need a mad fast hopper on there. Maybe a Q-loader would do it.

***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 08:37 PM

Yeah a hopper upgrade would be a must. Man I need to get to working on this then, lol. By the way, it will be all Tippmann internals.

**bobide** · March 25th, 08:40 PM

...wow, all tippmann spec internals? That's going to be hard. U may need to add a qev to the ram. perhaps get a new valve (maybe try to get a spyder valve to fit)

Torch · March 25th, 08:42 PM

I thought we were dealing with a blowback. If it is E-bolted, than I take back my statement about it being able to go that fast. Stock E-Bolt kits are mechanically limited to like 13cps or something like that.

**dhill0413** · March 25th, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bobide

...wow, all tippmann spec internals? That's going to be hard. U may need to add a qev to the ram. perhaps get a new valve (maybe try to get a spyder valve to fit)

a qev? ram? tippmanns recock by blowback gasses, not like closed bolt cockers.

q-loader that shiznizzle and you should be fine. but for the speed ur looking for, youd need to bust a modified Response Trigger. Milkman on tippmann.com forums did 24cps with his, havent seen anything like that with paint

***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 08:44 PM

A qev to the ram? you lost me there, lol. yeah, I fugure anyone can put other gun parts in a Tippmann frame and call it a Tippmann, but what I want is a Tippy that flat rips. Ive got a ton of projects in my head, a radio controlled turret, etc. Just have to find the time and $ to make them happen. And having a friend that works for Nasa helps too

**bobide** · March 25th, 08:44 PM

I assumed it was a ebloted 98c. Which uses a ram (i think) therefor a qev can be added to help it cycle faster.

So is it a e-bolted 98c? or not...?

***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 08:47 PM

dhill0413 "but for the speed ur looking for, youd need to bust a modified Response Trigger" nope not at all, standard double trigger.

Really hope this works, lol, or Im gonna look super dumb and have to get a new username, lmao.

***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 08:48 PM

Fairly stock 98C, trigger spring mod, polished internals.

***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 08:51 PM

Which brings me back to my original question, can a stock (forgot that part) 98c cycle at , lets say 18 bps? I mean if one could physically pull the trigger 18 times in a second? again, ball chopping not considered?

**Ryan_P** · March 25th, 08:59 PM

the 98c cycles at around 40 cps. But your never gonna get that with paint...

Torch · March 25th, 09:04 PM

Pretty much. A heavy-modified RT will get up to 25, and all it does is basically make the trigger bounce. The same thing would happen if it was possible to pull that fast.

***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 09:20 PM

So a actual 20 bps is possible? Excellent!!!!!!! That should be enough to shut down those electronic guns, lol.

***jnjnfl*** · March 25th, 09:24 PM

Ok guys/gals, thanks so much for the input. I am off to bed, actually Ill lay there and think about this for a bit, but at any rate, thank you.

**paintthecatBLUE** · March 26th, 06:17 PM

a blowback like a tippmann could probablly cycle over 50 cps if you had mirror smooth internals and a super-high flowing tank/regulator. no hopper can feed that fast, but stop worrying about the gun not being able to cycle that fast, lol. 20-30 bps is nothing on a blowback gun, even without polished internals you would probablly get somewhere around 35-40 cps.