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***sniper1010*** · January 5th, 08:02 AM

If it ignitess the gas/propellent, and doesnt use that gasuos/propellen(gunpowder) form itself to propel the projectile that will be called a firearm. Sure your using a little but its still one. Get pulled over, got that thing in your truck, jail time, lawsuits.... I really dont see and good out of it if the gun ignites it. Maybe as the way CO2 and HPA but then itd be paintball. Anyway, who wants to shoot great flaming balls of fire? Wouldnt they burn you on impact?... I can see it now,
"15 year old teenage has tippmann c3 and is now in juvie becuase the c3 is a firearm." THats how people are gonna look at propane pwoered paintball "guns". (I hope I dont sound rude or anything. Just puttin my view in)

**Mescaline** · January 5th, 10:22 AM

if it runs around the same air pressure then there could be a way to utilize propane the same way we use air or nitro. it depends on how dense the propane is compared to co2 or nitro. but we were already have been reassured that indeed the propane ignites.

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Originally Posted by Torch

Yes, it ignites the propane. In airsoft they don't do this (I think, never played).

***sniper1010*** · January 5th, 10:30 AM

ok. But what about the ignitr? What ignites the propane?

***MedicDVG*** · January 5th, 01:50 PM

apparently there is a battery operated spark generator similar to that of a gas grill.

Tippman has not e-mailed me back on my question. When/if they do, I will post their response.

Torch · January 5th, 10:10 PM

Room temperature vapor pressure of CO2 is ~830psi
Room temperature vapor pressure of Propane is 122psi (70 Degrees F) At 100 Degrees it increases to a stunning 190psi.

I do want to see Tippmann's response to the firearm question.

***sniper1010*** · January 6th, 08:08 AM

Thats not nearly enough to shot a ball. No if the propan ignites to force that paintball fout the barrel would it be:

A) On fire or hot

B) Like a normal ball shot at regulation speed

**Tippy_A-5** · January 6th, 09:16 AM

I actually have to say that it is a great idea. And i dont think that its that dangerous tippmann wouldn't have released it if it were dangerous or explosive. People sew for everything now-a-days and i dont think they would want that liability. The c3 ignites a tiny amount of propine propaine expands alot when ignited so thats why it works and why u get so any shots off of it. Once that propaine reaches the end of the barrel it allready burned most of the gas and the rest is too small and too cold to burn it simply dissapates in the air. Its not like its a flame thrower and you dont even see a flash. It simply uses too little propaine for it to be any hazzard. You get 50,000 shots off of a 12oz. Tank that means each shot is only 24 hundred thousandths of an ounce, in volume (0.00024oz).

***sniper1010*** · January 6th, 10:34 AM

hmmmmm..... Im not so sure that many players will move over to propane. Most of us will stay in HPA or N2. Will C02 die out and propane take its place?

***prodigy911*** · January 7th, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Collins88

to prodigy911:

well thats the only marker configured to use it so far so... yeah... but in the future maybe not.

Thanks, I was just wondering it would be cool though.

***darkdragon*** · January 7th, 11:10 PM

Ya well it is oke to store a CO2 tank or an HPA tank in the trunk of a car. Not recomended (especially in hot areas) to store any propane it has a flash point. Anything with a flash point needs to be thought of as possibly dangerous. It is explosive, and has a very low flash point. I will stick to what I have, they wont even use propane in firearms for a reason.

**PizzaMiLiTiA** · January 8th, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by darkdragon

Ya well it is oke to store a CO2 tank or an HPA tank in the trunk of a car.

I've had co2 tanks rupture in my car before. It wasn't pretty, the liquid co2 fused the tank to my floorboard.

Dav0r · January 8th, 09:53 AM

Well. All I can say is that I see future explsions heading our way.

**pballa12** · January 8th, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Arom

The only minus i see here is the threat of propane left in a trunk blowing feilds up and the firearm defenition. A good idea that just needs some refining

I doubt that because we dont here about campsites and camp grounds being blown up and tons of people leave(in car during the hot summer)/use those propane tanks at campgrounds.
The firearm thing is the only downside i see.

iwanttobuyapump · January 8th, 11:01 PM

yeah, i think it is probably perfectly fine, but theres a higher chance of the tank blowing up i guess. imagine if they made propane 12 grams 4 pump guns. u'd never have 2 change cartriges. well if someone wants 2 do the math... ok let me get my graphing calculator. so if u can get 50, 000 out of 16.4 ounces ud get... approximately 107.5 shots out of a 12 gram propane cartridge. pretty cool 2 think about. im still sceptical of the idea of propane use for fear of the anti-gun queers who will deam it a firearm. but my dad brought up a good point, propane has been used in pnuematic nailers for years and so draw ur own conclusion... what are ur responses to what i said? i still will stick w/ CO2 and HPA for now tho.

**the_real_kaz** · January 8th, 11:37 PM

I'm PRO on Propane! 50,000 shots, come on that blows CO2 and HPA away!!! Iwanttobuyapump is right.

I'm more then positive that tippmann wouldn't of introduced propane unless it was safe. You guys are thinking way to hard about the tanks blowing up. Ever gone camping come on thats a load of BS that the tank it going to explode.

As for the Firearm's. IF YOUR GOING TO VANDALIZE SOMETHING WITH A PAINTBALL GUN U SHOULD GET IN A LOT OF TROUBLE. its a good thing in my mind. Maybe now u'll have to be 18 to own a gun that operates on propane now, well then we have all these nice ones that operate on CO2 that you can use.

**pbmoto** · January 9th, 01:11 AM

I like the idea because I know of a lot of people that stoped playing paintball just because they had to drive more then 2 hours to get there tank refilled.

***sniper1010*** · January 9th, 08:13 AM

stupid paintball punks...

**sNoW PIrAnHa** · January 9th, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by the_real_kaz

IF YOUR GOING TO VANDALIZE SOMETHING WITH A PAINTBALL GUN U SHOULD GET IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.

Nah Really?

This is stupid, first of all its a combustable gas and second of all it won't be as consistant as HPA. Another thing is that it won't be able to withstand a higher rates of fire, such as ones used in tournaments. Basically it would only be good for pump guns.

***sniper1010*** · January 10th, 07:45 AM

But wouldnt it like overheat and melt? or worse at high ROFs, it could like a hand grenade explodeinf in yer face...

Torch · January 10th, 05:08 PM

I'm about another thread from buying one of these just to have enough data to make a one-time post to solve these damn things already.

I will take a propane tank, Beat it with a hammer, Slide on it, Lock it in my car, and test every other idea people have about how "It's gonna explode!", no matter how crazy. I will even shoot the gun with a lit cigar hanging out my mouth.

I will shoot the C3. I will prove that it does not shoot flamable gas by shooting into a flame. Again, I will slide with it and lock it in my car. I'll play woods and speedball.

Transporting a paintball gun in PA is already a firearm offense, so I'll test that as well.

...Seriously.

In reality, the gun is electrically capped at 4bps...if you can pump it that fast anyway. Some people probably can't. Yes, it gets warm. That's why the gun is that giant aluminum tube- It's a giant heat sink.

Has it burned anyone? I'm sure you would have seen the lawsuit if it did. This isn't a 'theory gun' or a 'concept'; It is production and out in the market.

High ROF? It's a pump, and it's a capped pump at that.
IF there is a way to dissipate the heat created, someone will make a semi-auto. And it will be safe if they plan on selling it.

Explode from being hot? Heat doesn't cause explosions. If anything, the parts would expand enough, or the O-rings would melt and the gun would sieze up and stop working until it was taken and cleaned.

The only concern worth having is where it sits on the "paintball gun / fire arm" line.