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**paintthecatBLUE** · September 22nd, 10:05 PM

To me it seems like the rear bolt insert has no purpose, maybe someone can clarify this for me. I haven't tried yet, but from the way the gun looks in my head i think it would still work if the rear bolt insert was taken out. This is probablly another one of my retarded ideas, but if it is necessary for that hole to be filled up with the rear bolt insert why didn't they just save time and make into one piece?

Lord Headley · September 22nd, 10:10 PM

I think i know what you're talking about. If they made it one piece it would have a heck of a lot more weight to it. The "insert" if you notice is made of lighter material.

- Brian

**dhill0413** · September 22nd, 10:25 PM

yea i know the little thing that the cocking knob goes through....it is MUCH lighter and here are the probable reason it is lighter and put in there:

1. less tension on the spring
2. less gas usage
3. lighter gun weight(not much difference

the first 2 would be the main reasons, because having it weigh just that much more would cause that much more gas usage.

the A-5 is all 1 piece...maybe thats a reason why A-5 uses more gas???ooo revelation!

**Fall0ut** · September 22nd, 10:58 PM

you're saying my A-5 Is one big careless peice off metal!?!?!??!

Lord Headley · September 22nd, 10:59 PM

We say a lot of things about A-5's

- Brian

**dhill0413** · September 23rd, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Headley

We say a lot of things about A-5's

- Brian

a-5 > brian

period

**lbreevesii** · September 23rd, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fall0ut

you're saying my A-5 Is one big careless peice off metal!?!?!??!

not really, it may have been done on the a-5 as one solution to the need for extra gas to run the cyclone. the added weight ='s more gas usage per hammer strike because it will push the valve pin in for a longer period of time. the other logical way to get those results would be a stronger main spring. but why do that when you already have contractors set up adn what not producting m98 springs. not producing as many similar parts means lower operaing costs and more $$...not to mention the potential for lower prices...

**jaggy13** · September 23rd, 10:54 AM

There is a guy making a delrin front bolt, power tube and rear bolt for the A-5 now.
It should be done soon. the powertube will not have FVA, so a RVA will be needed.
The lighter rear bolt will alow for lower operating preassure but more volume will be needed. It looks good tho, check it out. http://beta.a5ownersgroup.com/forum/...ead.php?t=2605

**lbreevesii** · September 23rd, 02:31 PM

interiesting, looks like a very good powertube and bolt setup, i like the design of it. course since i won't be using my tippy that much anymore, even an m98 version wouldn't be of much use to me....

**jaggy13** · September 23rd, 03:46 PM

^^I know what you are saying. I think my tippy has cost me enough. time to start building an elcto that doesn't weigh a metric ton.

**lbreevesii** · September 23rd, 05:40 PM

except for the mods my tippy is bone stock(barrel excluded). up till now i havn't had much use for upgrading it because everybody i used to play with had bone stock tippys...woodsball...i'm soo takin my cocker w/ me to play next time we play woodsball...they'll get their asses owned, then they'll finialy understand that tippy's aren't the best guns in the world, only some of the most rugged and the best for woodsball...not speedball...

**paintthecatBLUE** · September 29th, 09:36 PM

no one answered my other question yet... even though it isnt that important...
would it still work if i took the rear bolt insert out? and if they made the rear bolt two pieces so it would be lighter, why didnt they just make it out of lighter metal AND be one piece? why does the rear bolt need to be heavy anyways... could they offset it by making the front bolt out of aluminum or something? just wondering

**TrashDoG** · September 30th, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lbreevesii

except for the mods my tippy is bone stock(barrel excluded). up till now i havn't had much use for upgrading it because everybody i used to play with had bone stock tippys...woodsball...i'm soo takin my cocker w/ me to play next time we play woodsball...they'll get their asses owned, then they'll finialy understand that tippy's aren't the best guns in the world, only some of the most rugged and the best for woodsball...not speedball...

I agree only with most rugged.. I don't think they are the best for woodsball I've seen much better out there. Personally I liek a rifle feel when playing in woodsbal.

No doubht they are not great speedball guns though.

**lbreevesii** · September 30th, 02:45 PM

the inserts main reason for being there is for the weight issue, which effects how long the valve stays open, so that in mind, theory suggests that removing the bolt insert, and compensating for the reduced weight with a stronger main spring should give the same results. HOWEVER the removal of the rear bolt insert would mean that all of the support given to the main spring as it runs through the bolt insert would be gone, leaving only your cocking knob to support the spring. also, why would you even want to remove the insert anyway? it would just mean that you'll have to have a stronger spring to make it work properly, and even then it might be finicy to get your velocity right bc you're still going to have to make sure that it still has enough force to open the valve. as a matter of fact i don't know that a strong replacement main spring would ahve enough tension to offset the removal of the insert...anyway...i need to go....

as for trash dog's post^^ the tippmann winds up being much the size and weight of an smg such as the thompson, which is fairly compact, and for the money it cannot be beat for ruggedness and reliability in the feild. those true rifles are also geared more towards not firing volleys, since the player generally has to carry magazines that are bulky compared to the ammount of paint in them, they're geared much much more towards senario play, and les towards woodsball, because woodsballers tend to not have the cash to spend 500 bux on a gun, thats why i say that overall the tippmann is the best woodsball gun, its just that it is not all that great on the accuracy and quietness sides of things.

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