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Old May 24th, 2009, 08:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Ok so Im gonna purchase the Tippman 98 Custom Platinum and there are two possible barrels i would like to get with it. Which one is better for playing woodsball: the Tippman Flatline Barrel or the BT M16 Style Scenario Barrel? Please help cause i wanna get my new gun baaaad!
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Old May 24th, 2009, 09:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Why not just get a J&J Ceramic? Only $30, every bit as accurate as either of those (If not moreso), less brutal on paint than the flatline, and better quality than the BT.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 09:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Because im getting all tippman merchandise so its all compatible and stuff, which ones better and would a lapco fake suppressor fit on the end of it?
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In that case, get whichever is cheaper. They're both fairly low quality barrels that don't give you any advantage...so waste as little as you can.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 08:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I don't understand why everyone on this forum is so anti-flatline. Flatline gives you extra distance. Sorry, but it's fact. Sounds like some people have been outranged a few times and don't want to support a barrel that will put them at a disadvantage.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 08:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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A. it give a few yards. Big deal.
B. Distance means nothing after the ball has lost so much velocity that it won't break. So it's unusable distance that does you not a lick of good.
C. If you don't shoot perfectly straight with it, your shots go all over, and you won't hit the broad side of a barn. SURE, they'll go plenty far, but who cares if you're not hitting anything
D. They're BRUTAL on paint. You can't shoot fragile paint, further exacerbating the issue with usable distance. Since you have to use more durable shelled paint to survive going through the flatline, you actually have a shorter USABLE distance than with an ordinary barrel.

I love going against people with flatlines. You run up to them and watch the paint go every which a way, except never hit you since the things are so amazingly inaccurate if they're not holding it PERFECTLY straight up and down. Yes, it gives you distance, but is that extra few yards WORTH all the downsides? Not to me, nor most of the people who have used any quality barrels.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't understand why everyone on this forum is so anti-flatline. Flatline gives you extra distance. Sorry, but it's fact. Sounds like some people have been outranged a few times and don't want to support a barrel that will put them at a disadvantage.
it may go further, but the chances of it breaking at that distance are greatly diminished because it's traveling so slowly. I laugh at flatlines because they just bounce off me at the added distance.You can waste paint all day if that's what you like, I suppose.

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Old May 25th, 2009, 09:02 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If the ball is going that slow it will fall out of the air. It's simple physics.

Can you please recommend ANY barrel that shoots straight when you don't aim straight?
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If the ball is going that slow it will fall out of the air. It's simple physics.

Can you please recommend ANY barrel that shoots straight when you don't aim straight?
Ummmmmmmmmmmm, if you don't aim straight, there's not miracle barrel that self-corrects for you. If you mean shoots straight if you DO aim straight, any quality smooth bore barrels made shoot great given a quality paint being shot through them. You'll see the J&J and CP recommended a TON due to their high quality and low price.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 09:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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If the ball is going that slow it will fall out of the air. It's simple physics.
the backspin creates lift which is what causes it to travel the extra distance. speed has nothing to do with its ability to stay in the air. If you drop a paintball, and shoot a paintball(without backspin) at a 90* to the ground, they'll hit the ground at the same time in theory.

it's simple physics.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 02:21 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'll be sure to keep that in mind next time I'm playing woodsball in a vacuum.
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How are you to attain lift without air?

you're digging your own grave.
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Old May 30th, 2009, 09:43 AM   #13 (permalink)
 
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If I may suggest although it was mentioned before getting a J&J ceramic or maybe even a lapco or smart parts all ameican, freak or tactical. And on the note of only wanting tippmann merchandise. You said you wanted something that is compatible but aren't any barrels with 98 threads compatible with an 98 plus a flatline will most definatly ONLY be compatible with a 98.

On the other hand I own a flatline for my a-5 and there are certain flaws I expierience every time i play. Not to say there ARE differences between a 98 and A-5 flatline. But when playing woodsball my flatline chops something HORRIBLE! And you have to have velocity at the right place (not too high) because the ball will start to shoot higher than where you are aiming. One time I was calibrating the velocity for good aim and I aimed for the bottom of the board about 2 feet tall and my balls when over the top of the board. So I am in search for a new barrel needless to say.

Perhaps you should look into different barrels the only tippmann I like are hammerheads and they are expensive. Tippmann advertises flatlines to be better than they really ARE.
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Old May 30th, 2009, 04:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
 
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Sorry for hijacking your thread, but is the Smart Parts Progressive 14 inch barrel good, I was planning on getting it for my A-5.
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If the ball is going that slow it will fall out of the air. It's simple physics.

Bernoulli's Principal and the Coanda Effect are also simple physics.
The Flatline barrel, Apex barrels, and airplane wings all work off of these

Bernoulli's Principle basically states "Faster Fluids Less Pressure"
Air is classified as a fluid because of the way it acts

The Coanda Effect says that a fluid will follow the shape of an object that it passes over.
Place the edge of a cup under a sink and the water doesn't just fall right off the edge, it follows the curve of the cup for a while.

Now that we got a basic understanding of some physics, we can move on to how the Flatline and Apex barrels work and keep paintballs in the air at slower speeds.

Airplanes create life though air pressure on their wings.
An airplane wing is curved on the top and straight on the bottom. Air travels along both the straight side and the curved side thanks to the Coanda Effect.
Since the straight and curved side of the wing both end at the same point, there is more distance for the air to cover on the top of the wing than on the bottom of the wing.
This leads to the air having to travel faster over the top of the wing relative to the bottom of the wing.
Bernoulli says that faster fluids creadte less pressure, and that equates to more pressure on the bottom of the wing relative to the pressure on the top of the wing.
Lift is created!

Now for paintballs!

The secret to the Flatline Barrel and the Apex Barrel is backspin!
Backspin creates uneven airflow across the paintball relative to the axis which it is spinning (let's just say top and bottom).
The air on the bottom of a paintball spinning backwards will encounter friction (air going one way, paintball spinning in the opposite way), while the air encountering the top of the paintball will encounter less or no friction (air and paintball spinning in the same way.
Air will move faster over the top of the paintball relative to the bottom of the paintball.
Bernoulli says that faster fluids creadte less pressure, and that equates to more pressure on the bottom of the paintball relative to the pressure on the top of the paintball.
Lift is created!
Now paintballs can have a flatter trajectory for longer at slower speeds!

This is how all types of backspin barrels work!

Now lets say the axis that the paintball spins on is not knocked off alignment with true vertical. You not have a nonvertical pressure on the paintball causing it to swing left and right since there's no need to compensate for as much gravity.
This is why most of us don't like backspin barrels!

I hope you understood that because I really don't feel life explaining myself further today, or in the near future either...
This was a long post...
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Old May 31st, 2009, 09:01 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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ANZ you have very good know-how on this i'm definetly not surprised you are a master moderator; very good explanation on physics. I do feel that the flatline and now apex after your explination are not worth all the boasting about.

In regards to the original question upon realizing I mentioned nothing about the bt scenario barrel in my earlier post I thought Id mention that I have no knowledge of that barrel but on the side of strictly my own personal opinion and not to be taken too much into anyone elses mind is that scenario "real life" mock ups are not worth it and are more for look than performance.

Once again I recommend looking elsewhere at different barrels to the creator of this thread.

Thank you all for once more listening to my jumbling about (whenever I post like this I feel I spend alot of time talking about nothing)
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from what i have gathered about the flatline, its about accuracy, not distance. a regular barrel will cause the paintball to start dropping the moment it leaves the barrel, so if shooting at medium/long ranges you have to tilt marker, and work out elevation etc.

but with a flatline, the backspin means that the ball wont start dropping imediatly, instead it will drop at the end of the flight rather suddenly.

so when firing at medium/long ranges with a flatline, you dont need to worry so much about elevation/tilting marker.

this is particularly important for somone in concealment who wants to fire minimal shots.

but if you are an experienced player who can easily calculate required elevation/tilt required on marker (with regular barrel) then a regular barrel will be better


well there's my 2 scents worth, but iv never used a flatline. good luck
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